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Barney or kook—- surf term for newbs who ruin a surfing experience; feel superior, vastly overestimate their abilities or lack their of.
I hate the disparaging of gatekeeping as inherently bad. Mountain biking has seen an uptick of people riding electric fat bikes, essentially just dirt bikes. It's bad enough when beginners are using normal bikes to ride in wet muddy conditions on trails that can't handle it or skidding into corners, it does so much more damage when they're tearing up the trail with a heavy motorized bike with wide tires. More gatekeeping would keep the trails in better conditions.
even worse if they are on trails intended for hiking on foot :-) every bike there is one to many
It also seems straight up dangerous, for themselves and others, at least on downhill trails. If they're going down them, well, it's already dangerous enough for beginners (who always seem to ignore the difficulty ratings) without adding extra speed. But the issue I've seen time and again is folks riding those things up the trails that people are actively trying to ride down. They were never designed with two-way traffic in mind, and going up it just chews it up even more.
Gotta love that undertone of jealousy:D
Personally, I live by ‘buy the gear that lets you grow in your new hobby’. You don’t usually need to buy the most expensive item, but you certainly should not buy the cheap shit either.
Take photography for example. You don’t need a $5000 pro camera to get started, but at leat something better than a simple point and shoot would be preferable to start. Like a decent prosumer DSLR. That way you can learn manual photography, how to edit raw, you can experiment with lenses, etc.
I’ve never once regretted buying better gear than I needed. I’m still thanking past me for investing a bit more in things that are still useful to me today.
You really don't need to start out with a DSLR either though. A Micro Four Thirds body is plenty decent for a beginner, and these days the range of lenses is great.
Well the point is more: get something that doesn’t just shoot jpg in only auto modes :D
I’ve personally never owned an MFT. I went from Canon Digital Ixus to a Canon 350D DSLR. I recently made the jump from a 6D to an EOS R8 system.
The one thing I’d caution about buying MFT for beginners would be crop factor if you plan to shoot wide things. And low light performance. You’d really want a bigger sensor if you plan to use those nice, wide, big lenses. I shoot full frame because of that, but APS-C sensors would be a reasonable compromise. Basically when it comes to sensors: bigger is usually better.
MFT and APS-C both have full manual modes. But okay, I guess just fulfil the meme? A DSLR is overkill for almost all beginners, and this sort of advice pushes people out of hobbies they might enjoy.
Ah, I see where you’re confused.
See my first post: I’m referring to a ‘simple point and shoot’ as in: a compact camera which only offers automatic modes and doesn’t shoot raw. Like my old Ixus for example.
Of course there’s MFT’s and APS-C’s with manual modes too, obviously. Those would be the step up from said P&S’s.
I'm not confused, and you didn't suggest either of those in your comment. My point is that you are the cause of the problem in the OP. People already in the hobby suggesting you need x to do photography, when x is significantly more expensive than y which is a more appropriately priced entry with similar features. DSLR bodies are about twice the price of an MFT body with similar specs. I've never used a P&S without manual mode either. Just let people enjoy hobbies, not everyone earns a wage that's enough to drop a couple of thousand just to have fun.
Ah, so not confused - just deliberately argumentative. You do you, I guess. 😂
What do you think this platform is for other than having discussions, which naturally lead to differing opinions. Why are you being a jerk? You said:
> You don’t need a $5000 pro camera to get started, but at leat something better than a simple point and shoot would be preferable to start. Like a decent prosumer DSLR.
I agreed with the first part, a P&S isn't great. I disagreed with the second point, as a DSLR is already on the high end. There's a happy medium. You then tried to tell me I was confused? About what? I don't consider it an entry-level suggestion?
Chill out mate.
Someone sounds like a jealous little bitch.
The opulent newb.
No we don't, we need less gatekeeping
When I skated we called them posers.
You call them people with ADHD :p
All the gear, no idea?
That's what I use!
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