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Wed Jan 17 16:55:57 2024 UTC by CrazyPaya234

On an alt because my brother knows about my main, and I don't want this attention to come towards my parents and make it to my grandparents [somehow]

I never had a relationship with my grandparents from either side of my family. On my father's side, they died before I was born, and on my mother's I barely ever saw them. And when I did, it seemed as though they had no intensions of speaking or interacting with me. I was at home for the longer weekend because my parents needed help cleaning out the attic, and in one of the old boxes there was a old picture of my grandmother and my mom when she was younger. The picture got me thinking about why my mother's grandparents always had acted so strange around me, as if they were avoiding me entirely. I brought the subject up to my mother while we were cleaning up the attic, and she told me why. She told me that my grandparents had always been hyper-religious, specifically catholic. This came as no surprise as I had deduced such from various mannerisms they had shown in the little time I had meet them. She finally said that the reason my grandparents didn't want to be around me was because I was left handed.

WHAT.

She explained further that the left-hand had been interpreted as the devil's hand as a catholic superstition. Because of this, my grandparents had always been wary of me, which grew out to them avoiding having a relationship with me entirely. I'm at a loss for words as to how these insane traditions continue to be prevalent in religious circles, especially in older individuals. It saddens me that despite how Christians often claim to be a welcoming community to all people, that many exclusive and elitist traditions continue to be practiced. I hope as time goes on, we open our eyes to realize how absolutely batshit insane these traditions, and maybe religions as a whole, really are.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I was waiting for 'born/conceived out of wedlock' and was hit with even more insanity.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah... This is also partly why the dominant (read in church as "sinful") traits aren't prevalent, like having 6 fingers on one hand, or webbed hands, or a plethora of other indicators that YOU'RE A WITCH!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I went to a private Catholic school run by nuns prior to highschool. One of my friends was left handed and they forced him to learn to write with his right hand. They always told him it was wrong to use his left hand.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Cool. I can scare Catholics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

When I was in high school we had a vice principle who referred to weed as "left handed cigarettes" lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Grandfather was beaten when he tried to use his left hand in school (Catholic run), father was not beaten but also forced to use right hand in school. I was in kindergarten and the teacher pointed out that 'we need to fix that' referring to my left handed writing. My mother must have given her a stern warning because I never heard anything else about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The nuns “fixed” my dad and he has the worst handwriting of anyone I know. My mom went to public schools and writes excellently with her left hand.

Both my brother and I are left handed. It boggles my mind when I see people trying to change children’s inborn traits.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just like Trump, religion ruins everything it touches.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

That sucks, sorry. I'm left handed and got (still get) teased,but this is over the top. Glad you seam no worse for the wear. Knowing this I would "kill them with kindness" ,but to others in front of them. You clearly are not the devil they think you are, so show them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Had a teacher in school with fucked up looking hands writing. It was because she was left handed, and forced to learn various skills in school with her right hand

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (18 children)

So much of Catholocism is extra-Biblical it's NUTS.

For example... the whole bit about no meat on Fridays. It had such a cultural impact that this is why restaurants do fish and chowder specials on Fridays.

There is absolutely no Biblical basis for it, but try telling that to a devout Catholic.

https://www.archspm.org/faith-and-discipleship/catholic-faith/why-dont-catholics-eat-meat-on-fridays/#:~:text=In%20recognition%20of%20Friday%20as,year%20(see%20Canon%201251).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its origins in worshiping the fish god "Dagon" are... interesting to say the least.

But it is by far the only example.

Easter is reputedly (I heard - ofc really who knows) the name of a mesopotamian sun god's wife, where the worshipers would have an orgy with temple priestesses/prostitutes and then the next year do human sacrifices of the babies born from the previous years orgy. Exodus 23:13 be damned (“Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips." emphasis added). Notably, b/c Easter herself was supposedly visited by her dead husband (now the sun god) and in so doing turned a nearby bird into an egg-laying rabbit (or... vice versa? or something?), they would take the blood from the sacrifices and dip eggs into them. To this day the South American celebrations of Easter will only color their eggs red, not pastel as is done in many Western areas... and supposedly they have little idea why - it's just their tradition started sometime in the past and now mostly forgotten.

And the link between Christmas and the yearly winter solstice - worshipping a tree, the date of December 25, etc. - is very well-known.

If even 1/10th of any of this were true, that would be strong support for what you said - a LOT has been added over time. The Bible itself, even the Old Testament, while it does single out left-handedness as being "odd", often presents left-handedness as an ADVANTAGE (or strength and riches), or at least not terribly cursed - e.g. Judges 3:15-21, Judges 20:16 1 Chronicles 12:2, etc. Then again, the "tradition" of Catholicism (which I grew up under) is that people should never read the Bible, b/c we are too dum-dumbz to understand it, and the people should trust the priests to ~~fondle the children~~ explain everything properly.

So yeah, you probably are better off, even if you develop a relationship with them as an adult, to have avoided that indirect indoctrination as a child.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You can jerk off all you want as long as you don't eat meat on Fridays. But you also have to eat Jesus meat on Sundays.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

It seems so weird to me when people think that their beliefs and practices come from words on a page.

That's just not how culture works.

It's a living thing, like language. What we do and what we think it means is passed down, influenced by events and neighbors, sometimes changing slowly over time, sometimes proving incredibly durable, sometimes undergoing rapid mutations.

Religion doesn't come from the bible anymore than words come from the dictionary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's old Roman superstition, basically. The Latin word for left is sinister and it had negative connotations even then. Predates Christianity by a decent bit yet that didn't stop the Romans who later turned Catholic from perpetuating their superstitions as dogma.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

My favorite extra-biblical notion in Catholicism is their weird veneration of Mary. Catholics have this belief that Mary was this divine demi-god that was not only a sinless, flawless, human being, but also stayed a virgin her whole life. Despite the fact that the Catholic Bible literally says that she had other kids with Joseph and that Jesus had brothers.

It's this super bizarre JK Rowling-ization of the Bible that a council unilaterally declared, like, 400 years after Jesus. There's no mention of any of the shit they claim Mary did in the actual Bible yet all Catholics I've ever met vehemently defend these belief.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Because they can't admit they have a goddess cult baked into their supposedly monotheistic religion.

Of course that's what happens when your entire religion is the accumulation of thousands of years of marketing scams and cultural assimilation.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The reason for eating fish today is money making in the past.

"Fishermen were hurting. So much so that when Henry's young son, Edward VI, took over in 1547, fast days were reinstated by law — "for worldly and civil policy, to spare flesh, and use fish, for the benefit of the commonwealth, where many be fishers, and use the trade of living.""

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Looking at the bright side, you end up winning by having them away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like you were better off never interacting with those nutjobs. Good for your mom protecting you from their crazy, because that is the sort of thing that would leave a scar on an impressionable young mind.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I prefer to listen to Aleister Crowley and take the Left Handed Path in life.

"If one were to take the bible seriously one would go mad. But to take the bible seriously, one must be already mad"

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