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When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because the government was aware of two of the attackers prior to the event, it's not a stretch that they allowed it to happen to use it as an excuse to invade the middle east.

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/0506/chapter5.htm

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To quote Pearl from 'Keep Beach City Weird':

Humans just lead short, boring, insignificant lives, so they make up stories to feel like they're a part of something bigger. They want to blame all the world's problems on some single enemy they can fight, instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Excellent quote but it also makes me sad, we are fighting so much evil and the worst one of them exist among us, or atleast I think

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Apologies for the incoming wall of text, this is one of my special interests.

First fact, one I need to constantly remind myself of: We are living in the most peaceful era of human existence. This is a measurable fact. Violent crime is down almost everywhere, especially in previous hotspots like New York and Detroit. Even though we see constant conflict in the world it has always been there but our awareness has changed (more below). Fewer per-capita people die by violence of all kinds now than in any 40 year slice in human history.

I know it doesn't feel that way, because nowadays instead of seeing foreign conflict in a relatively tame newspaper article, we get live video of the horrors of it right on our phones. This has change our awareness of war.

THAT SAID yes there are still very good reasons to fight against this and the other human caused atrocities like economic collapse and global warming.

THE REASON we have the luxury to worry about these abstract things is that SO FEW of us are worried about dying from simple diseases or in armed conflict, so we move on to the next tier.

Don't get me wrong, I am so passionately an advocate that human-caused global warming is real and that we have the ability to reverse it, same with our world economic policies that is leading us to global Depression, and I have taken to the streets in the past to protest for reform of these things, and will in the future.

But the thing is, the world is currently controlled by the rich, and most rich people don't give a shit about anything other than their own insatiable greed, so until their voices are made irrelevant, there will be no meaningful change as the climate and economy collapses.

Maybe then we will see an uptick in violent conflict, once the food riots start. I don't think there is any way to avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago
  1. It was unthinkable to millions of people that an attack on the USA could reach so far in as to hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in a single morning. We were the strongest military on earth and had fully operational radar, but failed to keep planes from absolutely demolishing the towers. A lot of people just can't understand the complicated stuff like that.

  2. The government has done a lot worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Because the collapse of the towers looked like a controlled demolition. It wasn't, but it looked like it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

People are emotion driven. The idea of a conspiracy is somehow more soothing to them than a chaotic world where no one's really in control. Also many people are, frankly, fragile cowards, and the idea of admitting they are wrong is too much for their ego to take.

People's beliefs are social. Once they're in a social group that believes something, they're very unlikely to change. It's not even wholly conscious. But if someone's in conspiracy circles, abandoning the beliefs means losing all those friends. That feels like Danger to the brain, and most people will reject it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

RIP Trevor Moore

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you need to reassess these people you respect a lot. Belief in 9-11 conspiracy theories is not common.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Venn Diagram overlap between anti-vaxxers, 9-11 'truthers', and flat earthers is nearly a circle

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Some would call them "independent thinkers"

What's more admirable, to conform and be right or to think independently and be wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the weaponization of ignorance is a more nuanced subject than a binary choice.

There is no merit in pushing significantly disproven 'theories' like flat earthism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

No doubt. But dang, when they call themself right because they quote the most popular authority, I feel a strong impulse to play it wrong.

I mean, I'd push flat-eartherism just to highlight the absurdity of the popular epistemology. But that's generally a pearls-before-swine situation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Funny you mention that, there is a Flat Earth society that was started as a joke with members just arguing for fun.

They were mostly all replaced by true believers by the late 90s, I got to watch it happen.

And it plays out the same way in so many 'ironic stupidity' forums.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The true believers have more zip than the careful contemplators, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is a flaw in human nature that needs to be resolved before we move forward as a species.

It is no longer a survival benefit to follow loud, angry people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I dunno man. The ugly sciencey guy is a hard sell. There's gotta be a third option.

Smiling grandfather in nice suit? Sexy fascist lady? Furry?

It's all theater anyway. The mob does not respond to reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think Bill Nye gives us the best template: A kind of sciency guy with a background in media production.

The mob doesn't respond to reason but it loves to be entertained, which is why we need more science communicators.

We need a Bob Ross for STEM.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Or we could just do what's proven to work.

One lie-spewing puppet for the people who like vanilla. Another for those who prefer chocolate. Maybe a third for those strawberry-loving weirdos.

We want to keep them (the oblivious masses) marching in the right direction. That's all. Truth is utterly beside the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is everyone from lemm.ee deranged?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Spoken like a good, right-thinking citizen. You clearly consume only the most truthful of news-streams.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The projection is delicious, you have no idea where I get my info from.

But I bet dollars to donuts that you have newsmax on your bookmarks bar.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok

Spoken like a bad, wrong-thinking citizen. You clearly consume only the most dishonest of news-streams.

Better?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You don't need my approval to post, my dude.

Telling how you didn't comment on the Newsmax part.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't even know what a "newsmax" is. Is that the "bad" news stream?

Just out of curiosity, what's the "good" news stream?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

No single stream, that's the point. Everyone has a bias and only comparing different perspectives can you approach something objective.

Every forum becomes enshittified over a few years so there is no single place you can go anymore with even a hint of objectivity.

See everything and think for yourself and wonder why people are spending so much energy convincing you their bias is correct.

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