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It was a decade ago when California became the first state in the nation to ban single-use plastic bags, ushering in a wave of anti-plastic legislation from coast to coast.

But in the years after California seemingly kicked its plastic grocery sack habit, material recovery facilities and environmental activists noticed a peculiar trend: Plastic bag waste by weight was increasing to unprecedented levels.

According to a report by the consumer advocacy group CALPIRG, 157,385 tons of plastic bag waste was discarded in California the year the law was passed. By 2022, however, the tonnage of discarded plastic bags had skyrocketed to 231,072 — a 47% jump. Even accounting for an increase in population, the number rose from 4.08 tons per 1,000 people in 2014 to 5.89 tons per 1,000 people in 2022.

The problem, it turns out, was a section of the law that allowed grocery stores and large retailers to provide thicker, heavier-weight plastic bags to customers for the price of a dime.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I just carry some of the thick ones in my car in the trunk and just bag there at the car. I fold them up and bring them to the car and leave them there next time I go out anywhere. A habit that is less common for me to forget to do now but I did forget all the time initially and would pay at the counter. I have an excess of them now though so even when I do forget to bring some down I have spares in the car. Less chance of forgetting twice anyway. Easy thing to change to.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Coming from a country that did this ages ago for stupid reasons.

Wait until they come for your straws. Cutting down trees for paper bags I can deal with but fucking paper straws (Mcdonalds im looking at you) is god awful.

Edit: downvoters getting sour about the paper bags consuming trees is a reality and cost of shifting resources. So do we create enormous plastic waste and destroy the environment or do we cut down trees and destroy the atmosphere. Policy change requires constructive thought, critical thought to test, and balance (not always but considered) to get the best outcome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There are compostable straws that work quite well. Also maybe just use a metal straw, or bring your own cup, no need to have disposable everything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Metal straw I can get bahind but other straw types just dont make it to market because money. Personally just take the lid off and use a cup like an adult.

God the fictional line of just bring your own cup. No one brings their own cup to Mcdonalds. No one. They dont accept them now anyway. Their soda machines are automated for their own cups. Their trajectory is hire less people buy more robots.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I got a paper straw the other day that actually worked really well, so it seems like someone finally figured out how to make a good one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ireland has a plastic bag levy of 22c per bag. Most supermarkets don't even bother selling single use bags any more. If you want to buy a bag, then your choice is a thicker reusable bag or a "bag for life" that most supermarkets will charge you 70c or more for.

I suppose some people might throw them away but more likely they hang onto them because they cost so much to begin with.

In some supermarkets like LIDL and Aldi it's also quite common for someone to grab an empty cardboard box that (the stores usually toss them in a big mesh bin) and use that to carry stuff away. These can be put into recycling.

There is also a drive to ban single use plastics like cutlery, straws, cups etc. Ireland also just imposed a refundable tax on plastic bottles and cans - supermarkets have machines that ingest returned containers and print out a credit slip.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

My city banned plastic bags and it costs 10 cents for paper bags so you definitely see a lot more cloth bags being brought in. Just at grocery stores, you still get take out in plastic bags every so often but most places just switched to all paper

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Our city is the same but they sell you and even thicker plastic bag for 10 cents. No paper options. (Safeway)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I did notice an option at Kroger or maybe it was Walmart when you do pickup they won't use plastic bags. I have a big shopping basket I accidentally liberated from the store years ago that stays in the back of the car they put the stuff in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

ok so this is a mindset problem : people are too accustomed to disposable, and lost the habit to re-use (thank to Consumer society)?

This problem can be solved with education, with new habits taught to young generations : awareness courses about waste management, teaching about sorting, waste reduction, composting and food waste.

In my area they do it since 6 years in schools, now children are educating their parents !

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Would it not work to do like we do for refundable cans? QR code or barcode on the bag to verify and store drop off for a refund of this 10/15¢. People would go out of their way to collect and drop these off at facilities that could accept and recycle these.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

you can't really recycle a regular plastic bag, the materials used are "bottom of the food chain". around here they recycle bottles and containers, but use wrappings and bags to heat up the regular garbage incinerators...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Why are they even offering these? Use paper for instacart shoppers only. Everyone else needs to bring their own. Why is it so hard to put this into play?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Because stores lose out on the impulse shopper market. Who didn't plan to go shopping and didn't bring bags.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

now plastic bags are no longer free - but honestly $0.15/bag is basically free so most folks still toss them out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yup. They just created more waste. We need to make the jump to no plastic bags. It's time, we can do it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They did this in the UK and it worked. The Cali law just has dumb ass loopholes in it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

That's cause we didn't actually ban them. Neo Liberals thought people would stop using them if they had to pay 10 cents.

Turns out, nobody cared. We need an actual ban.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I think the gig economy and the pandemic both had a hand in this as well. The pandemic set things up for curbside pickup and increased the number of people using things like Instacart, and a lot of people who switched to that have stayed on them. But both curbside pickup and Instacart-style services need a convenient way for the collector of goods to get that stuff to the purchaser, so they're going to buy bags for their deliveree. And the deliveree is going to end up with stacks and stacks of reusable bags that they're never going to reuse (because they order pickup or delivery). They try to donate them but a lot of places don't take them, so they end up in the trash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Not OP, but that's what we did in the UK too... I'm honestly confused reading the post and the comments calling California out on this. I must be misunderstanding something because we did the same thing and it really, really worked. The UK led the charge on the concept of 'nudges' like this and it's been successful and widely praised. We still have thick plastic bags that you buy for 10p, but most people really do keep some on hand for most situations so plastic dumping has been significantly reduced.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The 'nudges' thing is contested. It's basically from one book and the studies that used it mostly showed temporary single digit differences. Then there's a lot of celebration that "the rate of change is picking up!" before long term effects fail to emerge. It falls smack dab in the center of the replication crisis.

A lot more direct action is required to make sizeable changes, like outreach campaigns and actually trying to change people's minds/behavior.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Fair enough, thank you for clarifying! 'replication crisis' were the first words in my head as soon as I saw the top line of your comment haha.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Somewhere a Social Anthropologist is lining up their PhD paper.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Or one just buys them in bulk and brings their own plastic bags to the store. Cheaper than $.10, still legal.

Plastic grocery bags take up so little space and are so versatile for so many things that would otherwise take thicker more expensive trashbag-like material, or paper or cloth that can't handle wet.

Replacing them at the store didn't replace them at the litterbox, at the quick trip to the friend's house to bring some snacks, at the carpet stain cleanup, at the garage project cleanup, at side of the road car repair, for emergency gloves in a pinch, at stopping liquid leaks in your car's trunk because some container broke, at the small bathroom trash can at home, and so many other places where those bags can and do get reused a bunch of times. Paper and cloth bags both leak. Cloth bags waste drinking water to clean. Regular trash bags not only cost more, but like this article mentions, are also thicker plastic resulting in more plastic ending up in a landfill.

Not trying to sound pro-plastic grocery bag, just pointing out that they are infinitely useful for so many small tasks, and the replacements can't hold up to the task, or are worse in several ways. It's difficult to remove something from peoples' processes when there aren't any reasonable substitutes.

Paper probably has the best bet of going back to prevalence since it can be a carbon sink cycle, but it will take time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

There are permanent plastic bags too...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What? Cloth bags are vastly superior. You wash them every once and a while with all the rest of your clothes. I just bring them back down to my car so I have them wherever I go. That is by far the best option.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Try putting anything with any liquid on it in a cloth bag and report back bud

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m sorry you got downvoted by morons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

It’s okay it happens frequently

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck liquids are you buying in a store and putting in a bag? There are already several other containers made to hold liquids. Bags are not one of them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Tell that to Canadians and their weird ass milk solutions.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It could still be a financial penalty, but it should be 10 dollars instead of 10 cents.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

That would probably do it

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"banned..."

They never banned them. They just made people have to pay for them, and forced them to be made differently. The new bags are better than before; but they're still plastic and most people aren't re-using them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Plastic bags need to be banned totally.

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