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Donald Trump has been accused of violating federal law by allegedly calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the ceasefire deal the U.S. is helping negotiate between Israel and Hamas.

The former president allegedly made the call on August 14, according to Axios, which cited two unnamed "U.S. sources who were briefed on the call."

If Trump did make the call, he would potentially be breaking the law as the Logan Act, enacted in 1799, prohibits unauthorized private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on behalf of the U.S.

American Muckrakers, an organization that states it seeks to hold politicians and officials accountable, has filed a request with the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Department of State.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Dude sure does love his "perfect" phone calls

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

If laws applied to Trump, he'd have been put into jail a long time ago. Alas, he is still a free man, free to commit crimes as he wishes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is his entry fee to the white house ... in Saint Petersburg in Russia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

perfect call, it was perfect... everybody says so. it's actually way, way better than perfect, way higher than 100 percent perfection...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe next time they will actually hit him.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wonder what the Supreme Court has to say about this. Presumably some of the totally incorruptible supreme justices don't see any problem here either.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

They'll wait till he's president again and then just say it's covered by Presidential immunity. Somehow..

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And nothing happens in 3…2…1…

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Congress pretended the leahy law doesn't exist, so I presume treason is handled much the same as genocide.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

The bullshit will continue until consequences are enforced.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like good enough reason for Biden to execute the official act clause, and have Dementia DonOLD the weird racist rapist with 34 felonies hanged.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

See now there is something. Maybe not hanged, but detained and cut off so he can't subverting the government seems pretty reasonable as an official act. Just have him acquired and sent to a black site without telling the public. I am sure the patriot act covers that somehow. And when it eventually gets out, it was an official act to protect the cease fire negotiations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As usual, barely any mention of it in the news. Standard procedure for Republicans, just like Nixon and Reagan.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Just put it on the shelf right next to other shit no one will prosecute him for.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be nice if the self-proclaimed party of law and order would see that Trump ends up in prison where he belongs - and not in the white house?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

what infuriates me is that eventually if he ends up in prison one way or another, they will all negate even knowing the guy, and act all ignorant of all the atrocities. the same happended here in chile with our dictator and people to this day defend him. one of the biggest defender of the dictator is going to run for president next year and to this day hasn't recognized her role in the civil - military dictatorship that killed and imprisoned thousands of Chileans.. really they act as if it never happened. it will be the same after good ol don is dead or in prison

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 weeks ago

The man literally stood three feet away from Putin, and bent the knee. Live, on television.

The man invited Russian operatives into the White house months into his term, and kicked out his entire staff so the meeting would not be recorded, and has admitted to giving them all sorts of information.

He received exactly zero punishment for that. He was never even investigated for that. And then there's the Ukraine situation, which again.....he received exactly zero punishment for.

There's no reason to believe this will go anywhere either. Multiple levels of the US court system, up to and including the Supreme Court, have not only shown that Donald Trump gets a different system of justice than most people, but they have no appetite for holding Trump to account at all.

We need to pass a law that says that a judge must recuse himself if the case involves the person who appointed them, or someone with a relationship to that person. And this includes everything from the 3 stooges at the Supreme Court that constantly interfere on Trump's behalf every time he's in legal jeopardy to Kentaji Brown Jackson recusing herself if the Supreme Court hears a case about something that Biden signed into law. This is 2024. It would take me about 5 minutes to come up with some code that would randomly assign a judge to a case while also ensuring that someone involved in the case isn't the person who appointed them. And my coding skills are about 20 years out of date.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Of all the stuff Trump is accused and/or convicted of, this is the most not happening. More not happening than the Cannon case, because there's at least a good possibility she gets removed.

The Logan Act was passed by the first Adams Administration, it has only been prosecuted twice, and both were acquitted. Even a normal Supreme Court would probably strike down the law on First Amendment grounds. The slobbering wingnut Supreme Court we have now certainly would when Trump is involved.

That all said, should voters put up with the idea that Trump is trying to fuck with the election by having Bibi continue a genocide? No, they absolutely should not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

“Originalist”s sure love to gargle oligarch’s balls

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The first amendment has some pretty solid limitations. Someone could argue they don't apply here, but I don't think that would hold. Any constitutional lawyers have a take on this?

That said, the likelihood that he's convicted of it, sentenced, without a stay, where he sits a day in jail is sooooo slim that it's practically two dimensional. As you said, there are barriers and interference everywhere, and he's the king of stalling lawsuits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Call it a national security concern and gitmo his ass as an official presidential act he couldn't ever be prosecuted for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, he's been meeting with the leaders across the world. There's no way they weren't discussing the conflicts with which they are involved. I felt particularly betrayed by Volodymyr Zelenskyy meeting with Trump. If that wasn't a sting to catch Trump in the act that was in trade for more arms and supplies, I'm angry.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

– It was a perfect call! *gestures with hands weirdly*

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm sure this will amount to precisely fuck all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Someone helped arrange that call or was present, and are guilty of hiding a crime unless they come forward. They can be prosecuted: loyalty only goes one way in that camp, so it’s not like Le Gran Cheetoh would protect them.

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