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Last Tuesday, loads of Linux users—many running packages released as early as this year—started reporting their devices were failing to boot. Instead, they received a cryptic error message that included the phrase: “Something has gone seriously wrong.”

The cause: an update Microsoft issued as part of its monthly patch release. It was intended to close a 2-year-old vulnerability in GRUB, an open source boot loader used to start up many Linux devices. The vulnerability, with a severity rating of 8.6 out of 10, made it possible for hackers to bypass secure boot, the industry standard for ensuring that devices running Windows or other operating systems don’t load malicious firmware or software during the bootup process. CVE-2022-2601 was discovered in 2022, but for unclear reasons, Microsoft patched it only last Tuesday.

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The reports indicate that multiple distributions, including Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Zorin OS, Puppy Linux, are all affected. Microsoft has yet to acknowledge the error publicly, explain how it wasn’t detected during testing, or provide technical guidance to those affected. Company representatives didn’t respond to an email seeking answers.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

“The SBAT value is not applied to dual-boot systems that boot both Windows and Linux and should not affect these systems,” the bulletin read. “You might find that older Linux distribution ISOs will not boot. If this occurs, work with your Linux vendor to get an update.”

Excuse me, those are the opposite of each other.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I get to dual boot at work (I run mint btw) and the only reason I ever boot into windows every week or three is to make sure it doesn’t get so out of date that it gets booted from the network.

I guess it’s time to stop that shit! Having windows available is not worth the risk of messing up my work machine. Hell I’m tempted to nuke that windows partition and double the size of my /home partition!

Though I will give Microsoft credit that m365 stuff, including video calls in Teams, work great using the web versions in Firefox. That’s even with the security and privacy stuff cranked up. I only white listed those sites for cookies and local storage for convenience.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Always install rEFInd Always keep a rEFInd USB stick around Basic Computer 101

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If it's a Linux problem why Microsoft has to patch it?

It's like if someone gives you a ride to the hospital and the doctor treats him instead of you

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because people cannot block darn windows updates. Its a real malware only allowed by law

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I follow that analogy, if you get a ride to a hospital you don't expect it to lock off all other destinations. What happens in the hospital is irrelevant.

From reading the article, this is more like if you walk into a hotel and they burn down your house so you have no choice but to stay. I suppose in theory you could argue in very bad faith that this is a problem with the house since it's the house that burned, but in reality the problem is the fact they're the ones who started the fire.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the World's been turning

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Y'all, help a dummy out. I dual boot windows and Fedora. I only keep windows around for a very few college classes that require for screenwriting software. I have not booted into windows in months. I have a screenwriting class coming up in a week.

How worried should I be? I am not great with computers, I run fedora mostly because I support the philosophy of Linux, less for the techy stuff. Please advice, Linux people. I'm scurred.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

If you have trouble make a rEFInd USB stick and boot that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Can you install windows in a VM instead? VirtualBox is easy to set up.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Out of curiosity, have you tried Fade In?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Sorry idk specifically how to avoid the update, but the linked ArsTechnica article has some advice

Someone here advised & I’d agree: use a Windows VM, for things you haven’t found the Linux version of yet.

Windows’s plan to screenshot everything will include your private artistic work too, so you’ll be doing yourself a favor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you use? Maybe there is a Linux alternative to that so you don't have to bother with a VM.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They require a program called Final Draft. I looked around but couldn't find an alternative

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

Try running it in Bottles. A lot of programs work there without many issues.

Use Bottles Flatpak

Bottles uses WINE which is way more performant than a VM.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

When I was still dual-booting Windows and Linux, I found that "raw disk" mode virtual machines worked wonders. I used VirtualBox, so you'd want a guide somewhat like this: https://superuser.com/questions/495025/use-physical-harddisk-in-virtual-box - other VM solutions are available, which don't require you to accept an agreement with Oracle.

Essentially, rather than setting aside a file on disk as your VM's disk, you can set aside a whole existing disk. That can be a disk that already has Windows installed on it, it doesn't erase what you have. Then you can start Windows in a VM and let it do its updates - since it can't see the bootloader from within the VM, it can't fuck it up. You can run any software that doesn't have particularly high graphics requirement, too.

I was also able to just "restart in Windows" if I wanted full performance for a game or something like that, but since Linux has gotten very good indeed at running games, that became less and less necessary until one day I just erased my Windows partition to recover the space.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

And probably disable quick boot as I'm guessing the kernel is going to get pissed when you suddenly switch between virtualization and native

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've never run a virtual machine, because I've always had, frankly, really shitty laptops. Like... Cheapest of the cheap without being a Chromebook. Only decent computer I've ever bought got broken within a month. :(

Can I run VMs on really low end specs? The screenwriting software is the only thing I need it for, and I'm assuming it's pretty much the same as running a word processor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Provided your CPU has virtualization features (described here) then the performance overhead for virtualization is negligible. So very probably you'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The memory requirements for virtualization is not negligible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That depends, if you're going to run a barebones W10 install with what amounts to a word processor I think 2GB should be enough. If you can run Chrome you can run a VM. 4GB if you're feeling generous, that's a fair compromise as compared to the disadvantages of dual booting.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

However bad that sounds, you're probably best off disabling all updates in windows. O&O shutup10 has a setting for that. Download it to a pendrive with Linux, and boot windows with network unplugged.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I will do this. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Does that screenwriting software require a lot of performance? You might opt to install Windows into a virtual machine, as described here: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-setup-windows-10-virtual-machine-linux

Essentially you're using some software to emulate a computer inside your computer that can run any operating system you want. It doesn't need to touch your actual operating system installation, you can treat it as just another program. For your use case that sounds appropriate; you occasionally need to run specific software that has low system requirements. This way you can do that without risking Microsoft borking your Linux machine any time it feels like it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd imagine it requires about as much as a word processor, since that's basically what it is. A word processor with a specialized template and some nifty autofill options. Again, dummy here. If I'm running a virtual machine, can I create a file in it that is saved to my actual machine, or would I need to, like, email it to myself using the virtual windows os?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The latter thing you mentioned would work, but you can set up some shared storage between the VM and your machine. Here is some more info: https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-create-virtualbox-shared-folder-access/

This describes a Windows host and a Linux VM, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out the other way around. :)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

yet another reason to use sd-boot?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

booting into windows?

it's been 84 years…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I use refined with cachyos dual booting windows 11 and secure boot enabled should I worry

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

You should worry about your writing skills. Try some punctuation, for starters.

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