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Google’s Gemini team is apparently sending out emails about an upcoming change to how Gemini interacts with apps on Android devices. The email informs users that, come July 7, 2025, Gemini will be able to “help you use Phone, Messages, WhatsApp, and Utilities on your phone, whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off.” Naturally, this has raised some privacy concerns among those who’ve received the email and those using the AI assistant on their Android devices.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (26 children)

Dear tech bros,

We, the people, don't want to use your AI shit. Please stop shoving it down our throats. Thank you.

Sincerely,

-The people

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

yes but what if a company has the ability to create billions of close friends who can recommend sponsored products to you? why would it care about whether you want that or not?

also bard was a way better name for google's LLM. it has its origins in an isaac asimov story about a robot who is programmed to tell random stories.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 days ago

Hahahahhshahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha.

Sincerely,

Tech bros.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

What about LineageOS?

My guess is the problematic parts here aren't open source so they should never show up in Lineage OS?

[–] [email protected] 225 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Linux has become good enough to replace desktop operating systems.

Now, we are back at square one. I’ll be the first to inaccurately declare, “This will be the year of the Linux phone.”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is my fourth comment shilling SFOS here, but it just might be what you're looking for. It is my daily driver.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Isn't Android using a Linux kernel already?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Yes. IIRC it's based on latest LTS kernel with Google patches. So it's been "year of the Linux phone" for a while now.

It's unfortunate that the slop they put on top of it is such a privacy nightmare. PostmarketOS is trying to change that and supports Plasma, Gnome, etc. But it's early days yet and still rough around the edges from what I've been reading.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

Yes, but everything above it (including drivers) is custom-made and tightly controlled by Google.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 days ago (8 children)

All I need is a good enough emulation of android apps to fool them (eg for banking).

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Sailfish OS has it.

Unfortunately the project has some closed source bits which, imho, aren't an issue when you look closer (some parts of the UI). Maybe I'm naive but I trust this EU company.

I use it as my daily driver. It certainly is frugal compared to recent Android versions, but fully functional.

It's an actual Linux OS (as opposed to any Android version). Things work the same way they do on my laptop & server.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Looking at postmarketOS for my phone too, so sick of this shit

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

PostmarketOS is cool, but as an actual phone replacement it is tough, at least last time I tried.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I haven't tried, but I took a closer look at their wiki yesterday:

  • the Main (official) devices are QEMU, i.e. virtual
  • the list of Community devices is long, but whenever I clicked on something there were significant caveats

IMHO they should focus their efforts on getting at least one actual phone working fully.

I want this project to succeed, but until then I use Sailfish OS, btw.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm looking at a Volla phone https://volla.online/en/

But I also have no experience of Linux in general yet so I have no idea if this is a good move.

I just really want to get away from android/apple/windows on all of my devices.

I want SteamOS for desktop, because quite frankly gaming is all I really use a desktop for anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Maybe look into Bazzite if you get impatient waiting for SteamOS to become more widely available.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Volla also has a (reliable, judging from reports) community version of SFOS

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

So it's still Your device not Gemini device. I'll wait couple of years.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure I disabled Gemini as one of the first things I did when I got my phone. But, yes when I read that, to me it did seem like a serious overreach for something that was going to be "on by default" for most users.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

How, its baked in? Gemini isnt installed on my phone but its there. Like the circle to search.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Gemini is an app, I disabled that. I also shut off the key press and there's some other places you can turn off some of the automatic AI features, and also there's a setting to disable the "online" AI in general.

But that's why in another comment I said, I am still not sure I turned it all off (or even if it is possible to).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You might be thinking of the normal Google Assistant

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Didn't Google replace the normal Google Assistant with Gemini on newer phones?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

is gemini on all androids? i remember there once was something called bixby, now when i accidentally hold the home button for too long it tells me to enable "circle". i've disabled all of those "smart" features but fuck knows what is going to get automatically installed in an update next week

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bixby is, or used to be, on Samsung phones.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Gemini replaced Bitchxby on the latest Samsungs.

It's in the firmware.

With the S25 series they even give you a year of full subscription.
They made it the centrepiece of the launch event of the product line.

Galaxy devices now come with Gemini, your powerful AI assistant from Google. Long press the power button to get started.

The Samsung's front is called "Galaxy AI" but Gemini runs every new feature really - including "cross-apps actions".
(The non-obsolete Bixby features retained the name but are part of Galaxy AI now.)

But even with everything off One UI 7 (and Samsung apps, like camera) is still littered with AI buttons.

youtube.com/HinL5jCy_oI&t=1270
(Gemini is now the default action for long-pressing the power button)

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Nervously chuckles "im in danger" while clicking through to the Graphene rom.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (4 children)

X is blocked on network level here, could you please copy&paste?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1933177989480456365

GrapheneOS @GrapheneOS Jun 12 We're going to be moving forward under the expectation that future Pixel devices may not meet the requirements to run GrapheneOS (grapheneos.org/faq#future-de…) and may not support using another OS. We've been in talks with a couple OEMs about making devices and what it would cost.

Jun 12, 2025 · 3:02 PM UTC

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS @GrapheneOS We're going to be moving forward under the expectation that future Pixel devices may not meet the requirements to run GrapheneOS (https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices ) and may not support using another OS. We've been in talks with a couple OEMs about making devices and what it would cost. 1:02 AM · Jun 13, 2025

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Long enough for GOS to port Android 16 or get their own OEM, I hope

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So there's an opt-out.

The article seems concerned that the email announcing this doesn't include a specific path to the opt-out right in the email (which is a weird concern, considering the email provides two links to... presumably that information)?

I'm not sure what this means, either, but it seems the "whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off" line is saying that you can still have Gemini send texts for you even if you disable Google storing your apps usage server-side? I don't use Gemini as an assistant, so I'm not sure, but looking at the Gemini settings menu on my Android phone that's what it seems to map to.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

My interpretation is that you can leave activity off i.e., your interactions are not saved. I may be wrong, but as I'm not interested in it for now, I'm not going to check either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right. They have an opt-out for Gemini storing your in-app activity, which I believe is a requirement to get the assistant to be able to do things in the app. This seems to say you may be able to interact with some messaging apps even if you opt out (presumably they would have a rebuilt way to interact with those that doesn't store any of your data?).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If this is the case, it's (apparently) good for privacy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Less bad, maybe?

Either way it's definitely a good example of why you should write good emails to your customers that explain things properly.

If this is what they're saying I'm assuming they didn't want to be too clear about what info they're storing if you don't opt out and ended up making an email that sounds like a threat.

Either way I won't be using Gemini as an assistant any time soon. Or any other voice assistant, for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

You're right. Anyeay, my google account is just a placeholder, let's say. Everything is disable and I don't actively use it to store anything, not even my calendar.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've not received any mails or notifications. Though I don't use Gemini at all. Or Google Assistant. Or any assistant.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't use them either, but still got the email.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Same. My only use is accidental.

Guess I'm should get around to disabling it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I thought I had disabled it, and I don't have the app, but I can't see any way to remove it from any of the settings mentioned in the email 🤷🏻‍♂️

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