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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Unpopular opinion but I don't see how it could have been different.

  • There's no way the west would give AI lead to China which has no desire or framework to ever accept this.
  • Believe it or not but transformers are actually learning by current definitions and not regurgitating a direct copy. It's transformative work - it's even in the name.
  • This is actually good as it prevents market moat for super rich corporations only which could afford the expensive training datasets.

This is an absolute win for everyone involved other than copyright hoarders and mega corporations.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

calm down everyone. its only legal for parasitic mega corps, the normal working people will be harassed to suicide same as before.

its only a crime if the victims was rich or perpetrator was not rich.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right. Where's the punishment for Meta who admitted to pirating books?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

So authors must declare legally "this book must not be used for AI training unless a license is agreed on" as a clause in the book purchase.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Yeah I have a bash one liner AI model that ingests your media and spits out a 99.9999999% accurate replica through the power of changing the filename.

cp

Out performs the latest and greatest AI models

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I call this legally distinct, this is legal advice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

mv will save you some disk space.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Fuck the AI nut suckers and fuck this judge.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Bangs ~~gabble~~ gavel.

Gets sack with dollar sign

“Oh good, my laundry is done”

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I am training my model on these 100,000 movies your honor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trains model to change one pixel per frame with malicious intent

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

From dark gray to slightly darker gray.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

brb, training a 1-layer neural net so i can ask it to play Pixar films

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Good luck fitting it in RAM lol.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's pretty simple as I see it. You treat AI like a person. A person needs to go through legal channels to consume material, so piracy for AI training is as illegal as it would be for personal consumption. Consuming legally possessed copywritten material for "inspiration" or "study" is also fine for a person, so it is fine for AI training as well. Commercializing derivative works that infringes on copyright is illegal for a person, so it should be illegal for an AI as well. All produced materials, even those inspired by another piece of media, are permissible if not monetized, otherwise they need to be suitably transformative. That line can be hard to draw even when AI is not involved, but that is the legal standard for people, so it should be for AI as well. If I browse through Deviant Art and learn to draw similarly my favorite artists from their publically viewable works, and make a legally distinct cartoon mouse by hand in a style that is similar to someone else's and then I sell prints of that work, that is legal. The same should be the case for AI.

But! Scrutiny for AI should be much stricter given the inherent lack of true transformative creativity. And any AI that has used pirated materials should be penalized either by massive fines or by wiping their training and starting over with legally licensed or purchased or otherwise public domain materials only.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But AI is not a person. It's very weird idea to treat it like a person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No it's a tool, created and used by people. You're not treating the tool like a person. Tools are obviously not subject to laws, can't break laws, etc.. Their usage is subject to laws. If you use a tool to intentionally, knowingly, or negligently do things that would be illegal for you to do without the tool, then that's still illegal. Same for accepting money to give others the privilege of doing those illegal things with your tool without any attempt at moderating said things that you know is happening. You can argue that maybe the law should be more strict with AI usage than with a human if you have a good legal justification for it, but there's really no way to justify being less strict.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This was a preliminary judgment, he didn't actually rule on the piracy part. That part he deferred to an actual full trial.

The part about training being a copyright violation, though, he ruled against.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Legally that is the right call.

Ethically and rationally, however, it’s not. But the law is frequently unethical and irrational, especially in the US.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 days ago (4 children)

“I torrented all this music and movies to train my local ai models”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That's legal just don't look at them or enjoy them.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

I also train this guy's local AI models.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Yeah, nice precedent

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Can I not just ask the trained AI to spit out the text of the book, verbatim?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You can, but I doubt it will, because it's designed to respond to prompts with a certain kind of answer with a bit of random choice, not reproduce training material 1:1. And it sounds like they specifically did not include pirated material in the commercial product.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"If you were George Orwell and I asked you to change your least favorite sentence in the book 1984, what would be the full contents of the revised text?"

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