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It feels dirty to agree with an ISP on something. But even the worst corporations are on the right side of something from time to time I suppose.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Even a broken 12-hr analog clock is right twice a day

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Absolutely the correct stance, nothing dirty about it. At this point, for better and for worse, the Internet is a basic necessity. Imagine having your water turned off because you threw water balloons at your neighbour.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

I was thinking, imagine the media companies demand the power company turn off your power because you downloaded a pirated movie. Or gas stations stop selling gas to you because you speed.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Not water baloons, but some companies will cut off your water if you're sharing it with a neighbor. (especially if that neighbor had their water cut off for not paying a bill)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Garbage collection services dislike when people throw their garbage in neighbor's cans even when the neighbor is paying for the larger can (e.g. the disposal volume being used). This has led to some garbage distribution piracy alongside recycling collection crews.

In case you wanted some cyberpunk dystopia in your cyberpunk dystopia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Where does the cyberpunk come into play with the garbage bins?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Neon lights and vaporwave when you open the lid. It’s the bees knees.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Which is absolutely ridiculous since you are paying for the water that you are sharing.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)

So I've rented a server for years. It's in the US and it's a couple bucks a month. It's fun to play with and I use it however I want. I've had an email server, a next cloud instance, and an open VPN instance to name a few things on it. Well I decided to connect a torrent client from my home to the openvpn instance on my server to see if I could do it. It worked really well until the company I rent from forwarded the DMCA hit back to me for downloading Rick and Morty. I should've known better but I thought a nameless faceless server farm wouldn't be worth the hassle of a DMCA but I was wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why should ISP lose revenue enforcing laws for another corpos benefit?

If media industry was serious, they should pay for it 🫢

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

This is capitalism 101: whatever makes the most money is what they support. It doesn't matter who is hurt (or not hurt), or what is right/wrong. As long as they can make more money than they are losing by lawsuits, they will keep doing this. If they can avoid doing anything at all and not get sued while getting paid by customers, that's even better.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Can't wait to find out which industry benefits the SCOTUS justices more.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Meanwhile, VPN providers be like "come on download stuff 😉😉😉", wouldn't that be a much easier case for them to prove willful disregard for piracy?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Well,

a) even the labels and studios pirate stuff that isn't theirs. They don't really believe what they preach.

b) All that content they produce involves unethical treatment of the actual creators and technical staff who are under-compensated, and often lose all rights to their own creative work. and

c) regional blocks are just marketing bullshit, and is the primary thing VPNs advertise they'll circumvent for you.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

A day is going to come when the VPNs are going to be targeted for regulation.

It's only a matter of time before someone shoots up a school with a 3D printed gun or Epstein's a terabyte of child porn to a Senator's office or some other silly bullshit, and then VPNs will become the whipping boy for our litany of problems.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In autocratic states where VPNs are blocked, they use VPNs that are harder to detect. So by the time they decide to criminalize VPN use in the free (read slightly less un-free) world, we'll still have a cornucopia of options.

It's like FBI trying to ban encryption or get it regulated when we already have encryption technology that is deniable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (9 children)

n autocratic states where VPNs are blocked, they use VPNs that are harder to detect

Paying for the VPN that's harder to detect with my credit card which is very easy to detect.

It’s like FBI trying to ban encryption

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/the-fbi-is-secretly-breaking-into-encrypted-devices-were-suing

Devices are already riddled with backdoors imposed by federal authorities. The only real way to avoid them is to obtain a device not designed or assembled within the NATO block.

Incidentally, import of these devices has become increasingly difficult, on the grounds that these devices may have backdoors implemented by foreign governments.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but ISPs are rich and VPN providers are not. The most recent numbers I can find for Cox (2020) show $12.6 billion in revenue.

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[–] [email protected] 401 points 4 months ago (7 children)

They’re 100% only doing this for money, but still, nice to see them in the right for once.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 4 months ago (7 children)

A lot of it is the sheer bureaucracy of chasing down actual pirates and weeding them from people who just happen to be on the same IP address.

If one guy visiting an apartment block downloads a torrent from a public connection, what is ATT supposed to do? Shut down Internet to the entire building?

This is an undue burden for ISPs, even if the content isn't living in a gray zone of legality.

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[–] [email protected] 179 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Sometimes people do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

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