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It feels dirty to agree with an ISP on something. But even the worst corporations are on the right side of something from time to time I suppose.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Here in NL the ISP's are refusing to give client info to the government due to privacy policy, giving a big "go fuck yourself" to any agency trying to convict internet pirates. A judge needs to sign for an ISP to release information on soneone, which only happens with large criminal cases like drug sales and child porn distribution. The fight to change the law so ISP's are forced to release all client info has been going on for years and years now, constantly ending in favor of privacy. ISP's are asshole companies lurking for your money, but at least they protect client privacy over here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Difficult to feel sorry for an organisation whose only responsibility is to generate profit for their shareholders. If their policy happens to align with normal human ethics it is a coincidence and they will not spare a moment to consider the plight of their customers when the shoe is on the other foot. Fuck them. Long live the pirates.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is less than interesting.

ISPs don't want to cut off their income here. I'm certain they have a very good idea of how many of their customers, especially those paying for higher tier plans, are either getting constant DMCA requests, or have a persistent connection to a VPN service. They have a good idea of how much money they're making from people pirating content, so this position for them is hardly surprising.

At the same time, I'd rather they fight with the copyright trolls than me. Regardless of the reason for why they're doing it, it's a good thing to fight for.

IMO, they shouldn't be responsible for this because they're not tasked with enforcing laws. They must abide by them, and they have a legal, or at least, moral obligation to report any felonies/crimes that they're aware of (with varying degrees of obligation depending on the severity of the crime. Eg, I'm less bothered if they don't report, say, piracy, than I would be if they don't report CP/murder/violent crimes, etc).

If the LEO's want a service cut off for a good reason, then let them get a court order for it. They should not be obligated by law to enforce such laws. Any enforcement should be handled by an independent organization, and be filtered through the court system as a check/balance for the whole cabal. They shouldn't be forced to both find and enforce infractions. Reporting suspected infractions, maybe. Forwarding legal requests to customers, sure (like DMCA notices). Oblige disconnect requests from law enforcement by request (when confirmed necessary by courts in the presence of reasonable evidence), absolutely.

But having the ISPs do all that themselves with little oversight, is both a danger to their clients, to their liability, and to the public at large, mainly in the context of free speech. The ISP is just the middle man, the messenger. They don't host the content, nor should they police it, or the access you can get to it. I'm all for collaboration in the interest of enforcing the law, but putting the entire obligation on the ISP seems foolish to me.

Cyber crimes is one area of law enforcement that I don't think should be defunded. It may be that ACAB, but those doing the investigative work, away from public interaction (and possible abuse), are not the root of the problem there.

I dunno, just my opinion man.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

those doing the investigative work, away from public interaction (and possible abuse), are not the root of the problem there

They're the root of privacy problems, which is a non-trivial issue for many of us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure how real companies handle this, but I can share what we did in a student organization at my university that provided internet to its members.

Not only could we monitor who was downloading a lot of data, but we also received emails from legal organizations informing us that a specific IP in our network(All members had a public IP) had downloaded copyrighted content. They would ask us to disconnect that user. These emails typically came with an XML file attached, filled with legal information and details about the content being downloaded, often including the exact torrent filename.

We built a system that would automatically parse the XML and forward the email to the user responsible. The subject line may or may not have been "Use a VPN, you idiot!" at some point.

We also maintained a "high score" list to track what was trending. The last time I checked, Rick and Morty was in the top 3, but that was a while ago.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's becoming impossible to monitor. I have 5G Broadband Internet and I share a public IP address with everyone in my area. I look at https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com and it shows thousands of torrents that my neighbors have pulled downloaded.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I use proton VPN for torrenting. It doesn't show I've downloaded anything. I think that means my VPN is working? 😅

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What is this site? It feels like it's a tool for anti-privacy copyright narcs. A domain it links to is "antitor.com."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Especially since it specifically highlights porn in a different color, it labeled my VPN IP as "Likes Porn".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Weird... I looked up the IP for my church group's forum and it said the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wow it actually knew 5 of the 50 torrents I downloaded recently

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Didn't find anything from me... Then again I'm using a private tracker, which should insulate me from that. (Random people knowing, the ISP probs does know... But I don't think they care)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I didn’t find anything from me either. Since I’m using Alldebrid to download torrents. It’s a torrent cache that downloads the torrents to their own server and then you can download directly from those servers at high speed. And most of the time the files are already cached so you can download immediately.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Oh another cool site for my bookmarks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Cox Communications being the ISP for the customers.

You will not ever, ever see Verizon, Comcast, Spectrum .etc doing this. They would happily snip your internet access and leave you high and dry.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I work for Spectrum. I cannot officially speak for the company, of course, but...We don't want to be doing this shit, either. We give people 12 strikes. First 4 I just a notice, next 4 is modem quarantine until notice is acknowledged, next 4 we also sent snail mail, with the last one being a 1 year suspension. Anyway, I worked in repair for 5 years. Not a single person at any level gave a crap. Sups, managers, VP's. "We give them 11 chances to figure out they should use a VPN" was the common attitude. All these warnings and man-hours taking calls and dealing with unblocking modems is a waste of time and money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'm going to have to slightly disagree with you here. Yes I know, I'm disagreeing with someone who actually works with the company. Based on pirate experience that I've noted over the years on Reddit's piracy subreddit, what I've read on TorrentFreak for the first 9 or so years I've been reading it off and on and vice versa. Spectrum falls under the category of an ISP to be wary of.

I was going to say that Time Warner also owned them, however, it's actually the opposite. And now I'm knowing that Time Warner Cable isn't really much of a thing anymore. But before it's demise, pirates had been wary of it's existence because of Time Warner's relentlessness of targeting piracy.

I'm going to guess that maybe the reason you're saying all of these warnings is probably because there having been that shift in control. But I do recall that Charter/TW was not to be trifled with.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cox, the same company that would send me emails and cut my internet when I tried to torrent years ago 😂

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Probably cause you've never heard of this thing called VPN.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Feels great not having to pay to pirate.

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