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Being a shill for the Israeli apartheid regime is the LEAST "maverick" thing you can possibly do in American politics.
To break with the left to join everyone else in enabling genocide isn't a brave and principled stand. It's ignorance at best, but more likely morally bankrupt cowardice.
Go home NBC, you're drunk on neoliberal gaslighting. Again.
Morally bankrupt, fiscally wealthy
Yeah, that's usually how it be in Congress 😮💨
Having a conversation about immigration isn’t a bad thing. Going in to that conversation looking to shove your view points down the others side throat IS a bad thing.
The reality is that we need immigrants to fill a ton of holes in our workforce but we also need to fix the system to allow legal immigration to be an easier process and to try to stem the tide of illegal immigration.
I don’t have the answers, but I know the problems exist and there are much smarter people who could help get ideas moving if the ideologues would get out of the way.
Yeah, most people against illegal immigration have no idea how arduous and expensive the process actually is. It's not as simple as going to the border and saying, "One greencard please."
I'm against illegal immigration, but the solution I'd like to see is a more streamlined process so people wouldn't need to pay coyotes to smuggle them across with no guarantee they'd even survive the trip.
If they want to come be productive members of society, why stop them?
Because America, by large, has been built upon immigrants coming over and shutting the door behind them so others can’t get their success.
We’ve done it as English colonists, we’ve done it during the Industrial Revolution, we’ve done it in the early 1900s, and we’re doing it now. It’s sadly a trend that we, as a country, never grew out of.
ugh... and he was doing so well...
I'm not american, but isn't calling yourself not progressive kinda... Shit? Why would you ever say that you don't like progress?
He didn’t say that. He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.
Whoever wrote the article is trying to speak on behalf of an entire political group called “Progressives” by claiming everyone in the group came to a unanimous decision to not discuss immigration (this isn’t true).
So the writer of the article is claiming Fetterman isn’t a part of the group of Progressives because Fetterman is willing to do his job by being diplomatic.
He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.
"Let's hear the literal fascists who compare even legal immigrants to vermin and invading armies out. I'm sure they'll be willing to reach a reasonable compromise" 🙄
You can’t just throw a temper tantrum and expect to get your way. Diplomacy is required to actually get things done.
Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?
Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite "if we give an inch, we're traitors" issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn't having a temper tantrum. It's being realistic.
So you don’t think our politicians should ever be diplomatic or just when on the subject of immigration reform?
I don't think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.
I wouldn't brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.
So regardless of the subject you want our government in gridlock and our politicians to not get anything done. Got it.
Nope. Please pack your ridiculous strawmen away. You're sounding mighty Republican with your bad faith arguments.
How is that a strawman?
How is it NOT a strawman to pretend that I ever advocated for government gridlock?
If politicians don’t negotiate across the aisle when majorities in Congress are slim then nothing will get done.
Did you or did you not imply that Fetterman shouldn’t negotiate?
I said that nothing good could come from pretending to negotiate immigration with radically anti-immigrant fascists who aren't even PRETENDING to negotiate in good faith.
Three things can result:
No changes
Changes for the worse and nothing else (by far the most likely)
Tiny changes for the better on one or two very specific things in exchange for massive systemic change for the worse.
You're pretending that the GOP is a normal and legitimate political party rather than a fundamentally dishonest fascist movement.
Is your name Neville? Because you're being very Chamberlain right now 
So again, you’re saying he shouldn’t negotiate with republicans which will result in nothing getting done.
How is what I said a strawman?
How is what I said a strawman?
By inferring that what I want is "nothing getting done", when in reality I've been very clear that what I want is for things to not get worse.
When you give concessions to fascists, things get worse. STOP pretending that the GOP is a legitimate party operating in good faith.
The GOP as a party supports fascism yes. But individual members of Congress are on a spectrum and can be influenced to vote in our best interests.
That’s why there are almost always some members that aren’t voting along their party lines. It’s happened like this since the inception of our government.
That’s why diplomacy is important.
Just look at how democrats won concessions from the house on the spending bill recently and made republicans look stupid in the process.
That happened because of diplomacy. Your approach would’ve resulted in a government shutdown instead.
individual [GOP] members of Congress are on a spectrum and can be influenced to vote in our best interests.
If you truly believe that, I have a mountain chalet in Florida to sell you.
Name one time since 2016 that anything good came from negotiating with the GOP on immigration. Hell, name one time in this MILLENNIUM.
there are almost always some members that aren’t voting along their party lines
Anything even resembling change for the better on immigration being amongst the exceptions that makes your "almost" necessary.
Just look at how democrats won concessions from the house on the spending bill
Spending is not the same thing as immigration. While fascists don't like social programs that benefit those who need help, they don't have an automatic visceral fear and hatred of them like they do with immigrants.
made republicans look stupid in the process.
As an aside, they were already doing that themselves
Your approach would’ve resulted in a government shutdown instead.
No. The Republicans hold the federal government hostage every time raising the debt ceiling comes up. It's as much part of what they do as demagougery in general is.
Letting them persecute and otherwise abuse immigrants more or less doesn't change that. It just lets them persecute and otherwise abuse immigrants more.
The idea is to negotiate in good faith to show that is our stance and not give in to bad faith negotiations.
If we don’t negotiate at all then there’s no way forward.
If we don’t negotiate at all then there’s no way forward.
Not true. If your ideas are good enough and you show that you're not too weak and/or corrupt to implement them, you get big enough majorities to bypass the GOP completely, which you should then do.
It's worse to negotiate in good faith with those that are negotiating in bad faith than to not negotiate at all, since those negotiating in bad faith have no reason to give any concessions and every reason to demand concessions from their opposition.
Same goes for arguing I'm good faith with people who are either arguing in bad faith or basing their entire argument on a commonly believed false premise.
So I'm gonna let you go gaslight someone else now. Have the day you deserve.
Because two comments back you literally said it was non negotiable. What the ever fuck do you want to happen?
I didn't say it was non-negotiable, I said that Republicans have no willingness to negotiate in good faith and as such, nothing good comes from pretending that they will.
Don't misquote me to me. It confirms what I and anyone else reading already suspected: that you're either being dishonest or having trouble understanding plain English.
Progressive is often used as a blanket term that basically means that you are farther left than the Democratic party. Not that he doesn't like progress, just that he is not pursuing the end of capitalism or something in that direction if even slightly.
To be fair, Fetterman is eager to progress genocide.