I pay for a Google workspace account, but I've been thinking about self hosting. I've had my eye on mailcow for a bit, does anyone recommend?
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I use Gmail and the client I use is the browser along with the Gmail app on Android. ... Yeah, I know, not a very interesting or fun answer lol.
self hosted. postfix + dovecot. android email app, thunderbird, or alpine from the cli.
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Ionos.
Too lazy to selfhost. Also the implications of self hosting and securing email is too cumbersome to sleep well at night.
But I do self host non-important to my living at home.
Edit:
Inbox: Outlook. Tried eM-Client but it was worse than Outlook (around 2018 or 19)
Mxroute with thunderbird as a client and mail on iOS for mobile.
Unlimited domains and rock solid. Just donβt expect lots of hand holding the company focuses on making email work you have to sort out your own details. That being said they have good documentation.
2nd Mxroute. I got the black Friday deal a few years ago. I love using the catchall to make emails on the fly for when I sign up for different services.
I do exactly the same thing. Some more spam from time to time but usually thunderbird catches that for me.
I like port87, but it doesnt have a mobile app yet
I use firefox to add the website as an app(does anyone know if there is a better way?)
Tuta, wouldn't really recommend it since I can't use it with Thunderbird or as an SMTP server
I tried Tuta but it felt a bit clumsy. Proton feels like it has a better UX.
Fastmail, 100%. Reasons:
- "Encrypted email" only works between encrypted providers. ProtonMail and Tutanota are both very inconvenient, and all I want is an email that's not scanned for marketing.
- Since 2018, ProtonMail kept getting worse, especially with the recent AI stuff. Dodged bullet, IMO.
- $6/month = Custom domains, and any amount of emails under those domains. I can send and receive from any domain
xxx@yyy [dot] lynndotpy [dot] dev, for example. - CalDav and CardDav provider = Contacts, calendar, and reminders sync. Works perfectly on iOS too, if you like that.
It replaced my finnicky NextCloud for half the cost.
I might have to change my provider. Paying the same with a worse featureset.
PGP encrypted e-mail works regardless of the provider btw.
True but go and explain that to the regular Joe..
yeah.. it's pretty hard to get non-techies to use encrypted mail. even proton's encryption is pretty useless as it's decrypted in their web client anyway.
You forgot the Fastmail killer feature. Masked email addresses.
Purely Mail, yes; so long as you're comfortable with one guy running the service.
Thunderbird for desktop and K-9 for Andriod. Only because they were the most recommended and completely fit my needs.
I agree, Purely Mail is great and cheap. Very cheap (I'm always afraid he's going to increase the price)
The owner is kind and professional, but he's alone, that's the only downside.
But if you use your own domain and you keep a backup of your messages, there's no need to worry about the one-man show.
Haven't had any issues with purely mail myself. I really like it
Purely Mail has been a good experience for me so far.
Proton for personal email. Not immediately needing to escape but once my free email runs out of storage I plan to switch to something else because of the concerns raised by the incident with the French climate activist.
IIRC they warn people not to use recovery emails if they're concerned about leaking information, idk why though
ProtonMail. Works great for the most part.
Except their desktop "app", which is total shit. It's just a webview in an electron framework. If I wanted to keep a webview, I'd just keep a tab open in my browser. Or a separate browser window if I wanted to keep it separate.
I've hosted my Mail with them for over a year, still have them as my backup. I wouldn't really recommend them, as they don't adhere to the standard protocols which infuriates me. As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge, you cannot use a proper client on phones, forget syncing of calendar and contacts.
There is more, especially for the non-mail products.
as they donβt adhere to the standard protocols
To what standards protocols do you refer? (I'm honestly asking; I'm not very knowledgeable about email architectures.)
As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge
I thought that is kind of required simply due to the nature of their email service being end-to-end encrypted and with the decryption key being stored locally only.
Am I misunderstanding something?
I meant IMAP, SMTP, POP3. It's true that they do some encryption shenanigans, but firstly I don't really see the benefit over just using encrypted SMTP and encrypted IMAP, and secondly we already have PGP for that, IMO it would be better if they made that more accessible.
Some people might not be bothered by this, but it bothers me a lot. Which is why I left. The reduction of usability is not tolerable.
Besides that, they also don't support CalDAV and CardDAV (syncing of contacts and calendar), which is something that groupware absolutely needs to be viable for me.
You might disagree or not care, if so, good for you, there is definitely much worse than proton.
shenanigans
To call it "shenanigans" IMO doesn't give it due credit.
As for the PGP thing, I've been with ProtonMail since they were in beta way back in 2013-ish and one of their founding goals was to provide encryption that was accessible to even casual users.
And like it or not, PGP is a thing that is quite confusing to most people, assuming they even know what it is.
Besides that, they also donβt support CalDAV and CardDAV (syncing of contacts and calendar), which is something that groupware absolutely needs to be viable for me.
Couldn't agree more. They really need to extend Bridge to support calendar sync.
If bridge could have the DAVs and we could host it on a non localhost IP, it would be a compromise I could live with. As it is now, you'd have to install it in any VM you have, and of course it also doesn't run on phones.
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You're not. The whole point is encryption so the bridge is a must.
If you use the paid version of proton you can use basically any third party client (I use thunderbird)
I am aware. But I feel like just a reasonable client shouldn't necessarily be considered a premium feature.
This is exactly what I'm doing too.
I self host, on a personal domain I registered in June 2000. Mostly followed a 13?-part tutorial at I think linuxbabe dot com, was the first one that seemed to genuinely be trying to help you set up a good environment, not just as a way to say βdoesnβt this sound difficult? Impossible even? Coincidentally you can pay us to do this instead.β Except I put everything on its own VM instead of all on one. (Even a VM for just opendkim, which was maybe not necessary.)
Mostly iPhone mail app and/or Roundcube webmail.
Yes highly recommend it, for receiving email. Greylist blocks like 99.8% of spam. Sending works fine for me, because itβs an old domain with history. I donβt think brand new domains have the same experience.
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