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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Didn't the opposite happen with Novichok

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My favorite part about that story is how the US built a fighter that could actually do everything needed to counter what we thought the Soviet plane could do. It was a massive flex that happened by accident.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Is this some form of Beetlejuicing?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Mustard is a treasure.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know or that was all a tactic of the military-industrial complex to justify its projects.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

How terrible. I sure hope that never, ever happens again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As a kid I couldn't decide whether the F-14 or F-15 was the most fucking awesome thing in existence. I mean, just look at them! Those planes are what sexy feels like before you're old enough to know what sexy even means.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I mean, if you ignore the f4, the f14/15 are the sexiest aircraft ever. But, c'mon, the f4? That's jizzing pants territory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To me it was F14. F15 is cool and all, but... I definitely saw Top Gun while way too young.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean, even without watching Top Gun the retractable wings were the coolest thing ever for a kid. It was the aviation equivalent of Mad Max flipping on the supercharger on the V8 Interceptor.

(I know, I know. You can't actually spin up a supercharger like that, but it's still fuckin cool.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Funny story. Nowadays you could feaseably run a dual forced air like turbo and super charging and use an electric clutch to disengage the super. But the intake would be convoluted with some way to bypass the stupid charger or the turbo depending on rpm. it just makes it not worth it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In real life conversation I'd laugh and pretend I understood that. I'm glad the internet makes ignorance more comfortable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Imagine you're breathing through a big straw, and at the other end of the straw is a device that pumps air faster whenever you're breathing faster, say when you're running fast. If you turn off power to the pump, you can't breathe through the straw anymore because the pump isn't spinning, so you'd need a second straw that opens up only when the pump is off.

You are the engine, and the pump is the supercharger. When the engine doesn't need to breathe fast, turning off the supercharger would conserve energy use at the expense of power output. But the design of the pump doesn't let air bypass it when it's off, so you'd need to engineer something (overly complex) to do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

(I know, I know. You can’t actually spin up a supercharger like that, but it’s still fuckin cool.)

Technically you could design a supercharger with a clutch (like the one for the car's A/C compressor) , but it'd be dumb because there's no good reason not to have it active all the time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Superchargers come with massive parasitic losses, in many cases 10-20%, and there’s a decent handful of cars with clutches on the supercharger pulley. The MR2 is one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not running the extra 20kg or whatever of rotating blower mass would increase efficiency for cruising. A supercharger doesn't have a good way of doing active bypass when you don't need boost like a turbo wastegate so just turning it off can save some mpgs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If the size of the turbo on my VW is anything to go by, I think the rotating mas of an automotive supercharger would be more likely on the order of 2 kg, not 20 kg. In my mind, that has two implications: (a) the gain from bothering to disable it is perhaps not actually all that significant, and (b) the additional mass that would come with attaching a clutch to it might be large compared to the total mass you're trying to control, so maybe it wouldn't be worth it. Then again, the Previa supercharger the other reply gave (which certainly wouldn't be a very large supercharger) might be a counterexample...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Turbos spin far faster than (Roots-type) superchargers, and can therefore be much smaller.

Besides that, I don't think rotating mass is really the issue. Yes, more inertia is like having a bigger flywheel so the engine will be slower to spin up/down, but that doesn't consume much energy, especially in steady-state cruising.

Superchargers compress air - that takes energy. You then restrict it through the throttle body, because you're not cruising with a wide-open throttle. That throws away all the compression.

You also have pumping losses and bearing/gear/belt losses.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess this refers to MiG-24 vs. F-15. Wikipedia writes:

The appearance of the MiG-25 sparked serious concern in the West and prompted dramatic increases in performance requirements for the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, then under development in the late 1960s. The capabilities of the MiG-25 were better understood by the West in 1976 when Soviet pilot Viktor Belenko defected in a MiG-25 to the United States via Japan. It turned out that the aircraft's weight necessitated its large wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

The MiG-25 will never not be cool though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

From the title I assumed it was going to be about the F-104 Starfighter AKA Widowmaker AKA Lawn Dart AKA Aluminium Death Tube.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Mood music from Robert Calvert's concept album about the Starfighter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

the starfighter looks so sexy though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I concur. Missing half of the wing area never looked better. X15 is a close 2nd.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My understanding is that the 104 was great at the tasks for which it was designed. Unfortunately those tasks no longer exist, and the auxiliary tasks is where it was truly horrible. Tasks that may not be the primary role, but are still critical to the operation. You know, such as landing, slow flight, maneuvering, etc.