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Thoughts on Michael Moore's suggestion for a Harris/Whitmer ticket?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

That guy is still alive???

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

GIVE ME MARK KELLY

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He proved his leadership skills in Independence Day!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

"They're not attacking your policies, they're attacking your age!"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think Harris/Kelly is the best political choice, especially for beating a Trump ticket.

  1. Kelly is from an important swing state for Democrats. Although Arizona has been shifting blue in recent election cycles, it's still far from a Democratic stronghold, so picking Kelly is smart electoral math.

  2. Kelly is the husband of former congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was the victim of an assassination attempt in 2011. Picking Kelly as VP will give the campaign a great excuse to talk about the issue of political violence while blunting Trump's attempts to control the narrative in the wake of his own shooting. Who better than Giffords, who faced her near-death with courage and poise to make Trump look pathetic and weak for his response?

  3. Kelly is well liked and well respected both in the Senate and on the national stage. People know who he is, and his poise and experience is going to stand in stark contrast to Vance who is a nobody in comparison.

  4. Kelly vacating his Senate seat means another Democrat will be appointed to fill it, so no important Senate votes are lost. Unlike some of the other names that have been floated, Kelly would not cost Democrats and important governorship.

  5. He's a freaking astronaut, and Americans love voting for astronauts.

  6. He's a middle-aged white man, which sadly is going to matter to some voters. Kelly is palatable to just about anyone, and will somewhat blunt that "DEI" nonsense that the campaign is already going to be fighting against.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You cannot choose a Senator from a Swing State. Far too costly. Also, Dems need to focus squarely on PA, Mi, Wi.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

As I mentioned, taking Kelly away from the seat wouldn't cost Democrats anything in the Senate.

But to go into a little more detail, It's actually Arizona law that the person appointed by the governor must be from the same political party as the person leaving office. Kelly will be replaced by another Democrat, and since his term would have lasted longer than 150 days, Arizona law also stipulates that the replacement will serve out the rest of that term with no special election taking place. Republicans would have to wait until 2026 to get another shot at capturing that seat, which is two years for Kelly's replacement to get a headstart on fundraising and campaigning over their eventual opponent.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think Whitmer is fantastic, but I don’t agree that she’s an appropriate and pragmatic choice here. The running mate should be a white, middle-aged, heterosexual, vaguely religious dude, specifically to try to allay the concerns of the various idiots in this country who will be unsure about a “colored lady” being the president. It’s a big part of why Obama went with Biden as a running mate, after all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep. It doesn't feel great, but it would be in service to the greater good. After all, these racist boomers and their outdated beliefs will eventually die off...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I've been saying that for 20 years and it hasn't happened yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The saddest thing about a Harris-Whitmer ticket would be losing Whitmer as governor two years early. But that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's gonna be an old fashioned American beat off!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That would be great, she's been a great governor.

Only thing that could be better is a Whitmer/Harris ticket or even a Whitmer/Shapiro ticket.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I’m voting D no matter what.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Duh. Sorry, not trying to be condescending, but you and me are not the issue. I could vote Trump (gross) this year and it wouldn't change anything in my state. We need someone to speak to the undecided voters. Someone they like and agree with. Yes, I agree that it's insane for anyone to not know who Donald Trump truly is by this point, but with the Electoral College, these people will literally decide the election...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Just like the Phoenix

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If they play it right, maybe. But I’m not sure two women, one of them black, is going to win over those “undecided” votes. Those states aren’t the most progressive places.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep - the safe choice for Harris’s running mate would be someone like Mark Kelly: veteran, astronaut, husband to a woman who survived a political assassination attempt, but also white, male, and heterosexual. I happen to think he’s also a pretty decent politician as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Mark ticks most of my boxes, but he’s a little conservative on healthcare. Granted, it’s not like we can turn the US on to universal healthcare in the next 4 years anyway, so that’s not really a red flag. He’s a bit of a Zionist, but that’s a pretty complex issue, and while I’d prefer he have a more progressive approach to genocide, he wouldn’t be the commander in chief.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

Whitmer would be fine. At this point, I'm just happy to see some party unity again. Moore is right that this was a courageous act on Biden's part.