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Kamala Harris, endorsed by Biden to replace him, is left of the president on health care (www.statnews.com)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Non-paywall link: 12ft.io/https://www.statnews.com/2024/07/21/kamala-harris-on-healthcare-abortion-rights-medicare-for-all-drug-price-caps/

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

No, that's pretty accurate

Conservatives are the people selling myths like the morality of enlightened self interest, and liberals are the ones trying to make the current system fair

Leftists are the ones saying "holy fuck, come on guys, this is clearly insane. We grow way more than enough food for everyone, can we please start from deciding no one will starve and work backwards from there?"

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the tragedy of our times that advocating for basic human rights is somehow "leftist"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Has there ever been a time when basic human rights were pushed for and fought for by non-leftists?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

"A society with healthcare paid by taxes? That's communism!" - american one hospital visit away from bankruptcy.

[+] [email protected] -33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She put people in prison for weed, some of which are still serving their sentence. She ain't left of shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/amp/

[+] [email protected] -32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yup, that's pretty damning.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, damning how she locked up fewer people than her predecessors and how the “she locked up 1500 people for weed” thing is a blatant lie?

[+] [email protected] -37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

She locked people up for weed period. Fuck that shit. Unelectable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh sugar...

Amidst the dichtomous choice that presents itself, I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you don't like that, then you certainly won't like what Trump has in store for you.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not about my vote. She's unelectable. Putting her in as the nominae would be handing it to Trump. Same way the DNC handed it to him in 2016 by putting in Hillary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Right, the most progressive candidate we've ever had is unelectable. For a thing the administration she was part of decriminalized.

That doesn't make sense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, the most progressive candidate

Exactly. She has to win not just in the deep blue progressive states. She also has to win the competitive states. She can't just coast to a victory; She has to actually compete against Trump. ~~~~

If "most progressive" was something that the swing states voted for, they wouldn't be swing states; they would be blue. "Most progressive" will win her the popular vote, and lose the election. Just like it did with Hillary.

Contrast with Mark Kelly, a solid blue candidate with a known record of being able to win in red states. Kelly would poach votes from Trump, turning the competitive states blue, and some of the red states competitive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're confusing "most progressive candidate" we've ever had with "democratic socialist".

Mark Kelly is a great politician but he would be starting from behind her on this. Newsome who was already prepping for a 2028 run would be the more logical choice if you want to replace Harris.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Harris is a lawyer turned politician. Kelly is a fighter pilot turned test pilot turned Navy Captain turned Astronaut turned Senator, with an identical twin brother with a nearly identical career, and a wife who survived an assassination attempt.

You can't swing ~~a dead cat~~ Trump's toupee in DC without hitting a dozen lawyer-turned-politican Democrats.

Kelly might be starting from behind but he has every advantage here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tell me you don't remember Swift Boating without telling me you don't remember it. The playbook on kneecapping anyone who leans on their service is already written. Mark Kelly was successful in Arizona because he kept his composure against Martha McSally and advocated common sense policies.

But he doesn't have the funding, donors, or national ground game he would need for a presidential campaign. That, along with her record, is why Harris is getting the nod.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

John Kerry was a low-level officer in a race with another low level officer.

Kelly was a high-ranking officer, running against a malingering draft dodger.

Completely different circumstances

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mark Kelly's opponent was Martha McSally, 20+ year veteran of the Air Force and a fighter pilot.

John Kerry faced off against a delinquent national guard pilot while he was a decorated combat veteran. Unable to match Kerry's military record, Bush got navy veterans who were mad about Kerry's anti war activities to say mean shit about him and insinuated they served under him. His actual crew made the rounds for him but it was useless.

Just so we're clear, since you seem to have confused them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just so we're clear, since you seem to have confused them.

I didn't confuse them. I was talking about his future opponent, not the previous one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then you need to use the words, "will be" instead of "was".

You also neglected to tell us how you would avoid that swift boating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I could have been a little bit clearer, but I used the same construction in both sentences, using "was" to refer to their previous status as officers, and describing the events of their presidential election process. The context of "malingering draft dodger" should have been enough of a clue that I was referring to someone other than Col. McSally.

I did not neglect how to avoid the swift boating. GW and Kerry were both low level military officers, each accusing each other of having had poor military records. Both of them had sufficient military experience to make their criticisms credible, but neither had enough time in for their service records to prove or disprove the other's claims.

Trump has no military service. He's already known as "Cadet Bone Spurs". JD Vance has 4 years of service... As an enlisted reporter. Any attack they might try is only going to remind the voting public of their terrible military credentials.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Swift Boating isn't about proof. It's literally about lying too fast for fact checkers to keep up. And being a higher rank means more disgruntled people served under you, and it's even harder to fact check that guy on the TV ad who says you laughed maniacally while ruining his life.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But they didn't though? Gonna vote for Kamala either way but you don't have to lie. At best the administration she was part of nicely suggested that we should reschedule it to a lower but still very criminal schedule 3. Please don't give them credit for shit they didn't even do, or promise to do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I did think they got it lower than that. But schedule 3 can be prescribed and some are available behind the counter at the pharmacy. So it's a way better position than it was.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm glad you're getting upvoted for a blatant lie while my correction of that lie is getting downvoted, and now that you're admitting it was bullshit all along you leave it there unedited to mislead more people. Great job. Look, I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but you don't see making up reasons to lick boot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't think it is a blatant lie. It's a huge improvement. There's obviously more work to be done to get it to recreational status. But schedule 3 reduces tax burden and opens up banking options for dispensaries. If a grower wanted to get their product nation wide they can apply to the FDA for a license now. Could you imagine buying concentrate from the counter at Walgreens 2 years ago?

Framing this as an all or nothing thing really misses the point in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Worse, they did promise it, but then didn't follow through.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And somehow I'm getting down voted for refuting it with reality lmfao

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's because people really need to believe she'll beat Trump. It's the same wishful unrealistic thinking that led the same folks to assume Hillary would just beat him. Dangerous, lazy, hopeful complacency.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

She's got a better shot than Biden, but we still don't need to be making up reasons to give Dems a sloppy toppy. Let them actually do some shit before you heap on the praise.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gulag. 🐀

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