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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't really understand how this works, so struggle to see any benefits (only drawbacks😐). It does make me thankful my provider is a small local company. Not the fastest, but probably no spying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Different context but the first time I heard about this it was touted as the future for VR

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If you are interested I can try and find the article on it but a few years ago an article came out where they were able to use wifi signals with enough accuracy that they could see a password that you were typing on your keyboard!!

But basically they use the way the wifi signal bounce off things to make an image in much the same way that echo location works

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well yeah. That’s what their tech does. And it’s why I have my ISP’s WiFi offering disabled and the antennas removed and run their router in bridged mode, hooked up to equipment I own that doesn’t call out to the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Doesn't matter for me, my neighbors use all that shit. There's enough latent rf for them to triangulate literally everything happening nearby.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Get your own gateway. Don't rent theirs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Can you use your own modem? I thought you had to use theirs?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

In Europe that used to be the case, but that changed not that long ago. Now providers are legally obligated to allow you to get your own modem

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You need to use their modem quite often, but you don’t need to use their router. They’re usually “all in one” modem/router things these days, but they’re legally required to provide you with a modem in bridge mode if you ask — at that point, an Ethernet cable attached to their modem is effectively attached to the Internet, and you can put your own hardware inside (firewall, Wifi router, etc.).

While you need to connect to their IP gateway, you don’t need to use their DNS services or anything but their IP gateway service.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have always had my own router. What is bridge mode? Can I do that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bridge mode disables the router in the modem; if you have an admin account on the modem you should be able to enable it yourself; otherwise you need to get your ISP to enable it. It will turn off all the firewall and WiFi features on the modem.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, look on their website for compatible models, there’s a handful of affordable ones, many which perform better on higher tier connections too. Been using my own modems with Comcast for 25 years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well sheeit. What about Spectrum?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m on Spectrum and have tons of friends that always complain they’re shit. Spectrum itself isn’t shit, it’s the garbage equipment they set you up with.

Make sure whatever you get works well with IPv6. For whatever reason IPv4 can go out at random but their IPv6 has never failed me (in the Los Angeles area at least).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have always had my own router, just not the modem.

And the only problem I have is intermittent outages, repeatedly increasing the price without my knowledge or consent, and high latency.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I bought my current one because IPv6 failed to provision on the one they gave me when I moved to a bigger apartment just two units away. I found some post on Reddit about the problem and it mentioned one that “ignores” the lack of IPv6 provisioning and does it anyway (I’m a programmer and IT geek but I don’t really understand cable/DOCSIS well).

If the modem they provided is just a modem and it works well, I don’t think there’s much reason to get rid of it. But personally if it’s an all-in-one box that has “bridge” mode I’d still run away and just go with my own modem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. Same thing, probably different models.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Probably even the same models as long as they're using cable internet and not DSL.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can buy cable modems cheap, too. No reason to use their crap at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't trust them to not randomly enable WiFi, but you can also use their modem but disable any built in WiFi on it & still use your own router. ISPs continue to try to bundle their modem & router, which gives them complete access to your home network. Some lucky people have found fiber providers that let them use their own SFP.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

"cheap" is a relative term.

Nobody should be buying a DOCSIS 3.0 modem these days. They are obsolete and for some reason still being sold.

A decent DOCSIS 3.1 modem is at least $200. A Next Gen like S34 is at least $220. At least at the big blue big box store. And then you have to get your own wifi.

(However, that big blue store also will give you a 15% discount on any networking purchase if you recycle an old network device...I traded in an old modem but you should be able to find a switch or router at a thrift store and still come out ahead)

It pays for itself pretty quick (by not paying rental fees), but that doesn't necessarily make it cheap.

I absolutely prefer using my own equipment, and do...but it's also worth mentioning that in many markets, Xfinity removed data caps if you have a rented modem.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If a DOCSIS 3.0 modem still can't be saturated by the tier of internet someone is paying for, what advantage would 3.1 have?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used docsis 3.0 and it worked just fine. So why not?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because docsis 3.0 standard is nearly 20 years old at this point and 3.1 is significantly faster. Docsis 3.1 is only 15, but 4 (which is still 8 years old) probably isn't supported by your ISP yet. But the speed difference is quite noticeable. 3.0 will theoretically do 1gbps down, and 100-200 up, but 3.1 could do 10 down and 1gbps up. In the age of symmetrical fiber internet those upload speeds are dire. 3.1 realistically gets you a symmetrical gig connection.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah, so 3.0 is fine if your internet still sucks. Got it.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Didn't read the article, but it's possible to get a 3d map with wifi. They can probably see you.

There is no privacy or security.

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