This is one scene that I wish the prequels didn't undermine. It was cool when the Jedi were some mythological idea rather than people that everyone should've known from a decade or two ago.
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I think the idea was that they were so rare that most people had never met one in their entire lives or even heard of one being active. Then too they didn't take credit for stuff they did, and while people like Padme knew, yet they were also the ones most likely to be killed during the transition to the new order).
But the big one is that the Emperor did a strong active disinformation campaign - e.g. COVID is fake so don't worry about it, just get back to work in the sun and that'll protect you - altogether leading people to believe, or at least say, that the Jedi were "fake news". As in not really, but in an authoritian world, it had better be, or else, capiche? That's the part that I worry we all need to learn, as in soon, to deal with our new reality: that Truth no longer matters, so much as adherence to authority/compliance.
It's been a while since I watched the prequels, but the idea I got was everyone knew the Jedi existed: they were major players in the galactic senate as you referenced. But very few people would ever get to see Jedis use force powers. They might see them brandish a lightsaber. Which to a culture who had space ships, blasters, and the ability to block lightsabers (even if the materials were rare), laser swords might have seemed antiquated and quaint.
And the powers the Jedi seemed to use in populated places the most often were mind powers which aren't necessarily observable: even Luke watching Obi-Wan mind-trick a stormtrooper was baffled. Seeing Yoda throw ships around might be a thing only a handful of people saw in a century and became little more than legend.
Ooor I might be rationalizing a lot of plot holes without realizing it. :)
But very few people would ever get to see Jedis use force powers. They might see them brandish a lightsaber
Approximately 10,000 Jedi were in the Order at the start of the Clone Wars. At that time the galaxy was home to over one hundred quintillion (100,000,000,000,000,000,000) sapient beings. Almost no one ever saw a Jedi during their lives.
Imagine you think you see a jedi and you find out it’s just a Nightsister…
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There were millions of planets in the Republic, and only about 10k Jedi at any one time. The vast majority of people would never have seen one. The vast majority of planets would probably go generations between having one visit. It is entirely believable that most wouldn't think that Jedi were real.
You'd think a guy wouldn't get into Vader's inner Death Star circle if he didn't believe in such things.
Sycophants and idiots are exactly who end up in leadership in dictatorships. Admiral Motti probably believed all the propaganda.
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Misinformation and propaganda can make a society forget a lot…
Maybe, but after that film, it seems like everyone's heard of the Jedi and the Force.
I agree with you on the bad writing, and destruction of cannon built through movie and book in the 70s and 80s. But it’s Disney’s bitch now, and will do whatever daddy Disney needs for money.
I'm probably in a minority, but I honestly think that whatever Lucas would have done for sequels would have been no better than what Disney did. I thought the prequels were god-awful and the best Star Wars movie was Empire, which was not his movie. Even Star Wars would have been nowhere near as good without Marcia Lucas' involvement in the editing process.
Don't get me wrong, George Lucas had some good ideas, but he's had a whole hell of a lot more bad ones since then.
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Yeah they alternate between “everyone remembers” and the occasional “huh?”
It’s a very distracting inconsistency for me tbh
I wonder if it's meant to be imperial propaganda/censorship. Like maybe everyone knows deep down the Jedi were real, but it's frowned upon to talk about it, because the Emperor is trying to erase them from memory.
It could also be that the galaxy is a big place and the Jedi were never that numerous. So even when they were a thing, most people would go their whole lives without ever seeing one. I can see how they would become semi-mythological in that case.
But we know the real answer is simply that Star Wars is not a franchise that values verisimilitude in worldbuilding or writing. It's a fantasy world with a veneer of sci-fi.
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Darth Vader doesn't call HR
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRjb5yrr9MVniw7UiKdJZnOMzuBGYLcUj
Which is a good thing because Imperial HR doesn't mess around.