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It is not my intention to ignite an EMACS/vim war; I will say that I find it baffling that Lower Decks is ending while Strange New Worlds is being continued. I like Strange New Worlds, despite disagreeing with some of the artistic licenses being taken. But if I had to choose between the two shows, it'd be no contest. Not only as a viewer do I prefer LD, but it has to be the cheaper show to produce. The fact that next season is the last (both by design, it only being contracted for 5 years; and announcement) is sad and incomprehensible in the same way the cancelation of Firefly was - except LD is popular and successful, whereas Firefly merely had a fanatical (πŸ–οΈ) fan base.

I don't understand it. Yes, you want to end on a high note. Maybe the writers are running out of plot ideas. Perhaps, given an initial life span of 5 years, the actors have all made other arrangements and aren't available. But I just can't believe the One Big Plot Arc that's been building would necessitate ending the series by its resolution.

LD is a strong show. It's lighthearted. It's a breath of fresh air after the more decidedly darker, ethically challenging, and emotionally straining runs of TNG, Voyager, DS9. And Strange New Worlds... the Gorn are basically Xenomorphs from the Alien franchise.Who, despite being the existential threat of the show, somehow get entirely forgotten about by the time in TOS.

But I digress. I'm going to miss Lower Decks, badly. How can this happen? And why?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I barely just got to watch the first season on Amazon Video as a Prime member. Someday I’m hoping the rest of the seasons will be included in Prime, because I’m not subscribing to Paramount.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My objection is that this will cap LD at five seasons. It's seven for a trek series dammit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh 5 seasons these days is like two seasons of traditional Star Trek.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

There's less filler on the shorter seasons. Maybe 1.6 seasons?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i love both shows but i don't think they're really comparable. LD is a very very very good spinoff but it can't be the tentpole Trek series, whereas SNW was more or less engineered to be that for this generation

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I agree. Lower Decks is a great show in it's own rights and I know lots of people who like it without any previous experience in Star Trek, but it is very much a love letter to the series.

SNW is an outstanding show for first timers and a younger crowd. In a lot of ways, I kind of wish I could experience Trek with SNW as my first show.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

whereas Firefly merely had a fanatical (πŸ–οΈ) fan base

Whereas if Fox hadn't royally screwed up Firefly's production and release, it would easily have been "popular and successful". Feels like apples and oranges to me.

However, I do agree that Lower Decks is a great show and cancellation makes little sense to me as well. But Strange New Worlds also is a great show, including the artistic license (which I'll be the one to say "Subspace Rhapsody" was amazing, I don't care what anyone says) and I'm happy it is continuing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I just thought Subspace Rhapsody was a bit boring, with too much "Look, it's this character, but singing!" and not enough actual Star Trek plot. When we only get 10 episodes a season, the plot of each one is very important, imo.

Other than that, I've mostly loved Strange New Worlds. The Lower Decks crossover especially. I love grapplers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't seen strange new worlds, but there's an entire episode in voyager dedicated to the doctor singing. Not my favorite episode, but I didn't hate it either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I liked that one, because it was an intense personal story for the Doctor. The SNW episode was just shallow

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

🎢 "Hail the Klingons, Uhura!" 🎢

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to miss LD, but I'd rather a show go out strong than with a whimper.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I agree. I just fell like there were still places they could have gone with it. Apparently, even with promotions. Getting a half pip, or even a full one, doesn't necessarily automatically get you out of lower decks... and how fast do promotions come? Once every year or two - no faster, certainly.

And if we can have shows about the bridge crew, and shows about lower decks, we could certainly have shows about the in-between strata. An (original) Enterprise class had a crew of CA 400 people. Most of this didn't spend any time on the bridge; bridge crew was, what, 3 dozen people, max? The Ceritos is a California class; I've seen estimates of a crew compliment of 160. If we assume a max of 40 bridge crew (on rotation, with alternates), that leaves 120 people in other categories. Plenty of room for new assignments, duties, experiences; hell, except for re-assignments to other ships, they could drag the show out indefinitely. The bridge crew characters would take the most attrition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

900% agree. And it's not like I could switch and watch The Orville instead for some occasionally lighthearted / funny / wholesome episodes. I think it's also not clear if they return at some point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Paramount has been trying to get bought out by Skydance, so they've been cutting costs to make themselves look more attractive. They probably believe that the long term earning potential of the Star Trek property is in the SNW brand and not LD. I personally suspect that when SNW is over we'll see a rebooted TOS using the lore foundation SNW has laid. (Also I could be misremembering, but wasn't Balance of Terror supposed to have been the first time the Federation interacted with the Romulans in a long time? That would also be a contradiction created by SNW.)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I think Lower Decks was always limited in how long it could run. They couldn't all be Harry Kim. They eventually will rank up. I think spin offs are the natural next step, so I really hope Paramount is onboard.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

I agree. LD is great, but it's also feeling like the story is nearing a logical endpoint. The main cast has already ranked up and learned to deal with their issues. It's only a matter of time before they're split up and I'd rather have the show deal with that directly and end conclusively while it's still a great show, than to last another 10 seasons.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Star Fleet Academy show, but animated like Lower Decks!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

spin offs

Now there's an excellent idea!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Funny enough, I think I liked LD because it felt closer in tone to 90s trek than modern trek. Like sure, those were serious shows, but in between the drama there was some pretty natural feeling levity based on character interactions, slice of life stuff, etc. Stuff that doesn’t take you out of the story, but gives you a breather and makes you care more about the characters when serious stuff does happen. Most of modern Trek feels like Marvel movies: End of the world level stakes and melodrama all the time, but constantly undercut with self-aware quips to keep things from ever being too sincere.

LD feels like a return to what I liked about those earlier shows: See the lives of some interesting characters in an interesting setting going on adventures. It’s not perfect and it’s not what I’d want to see entirely replace those old kinds of shows, but it stands in pretty stark contrast to the other new stuff.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

100%. And the funny episodes feel forced. Like, everyone remembers the Trouble with Tribbles episode for the Tribbles, but they were almost a side story; there was an entire main plot revolving around the Klingons.

I agree. Maybe it's the audiences, maybe it's the studios, but your Marvel simile is apt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Please, can't we have just a little emacs/vim war?! :-P

Nvm, I will preemptively win it here:

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For anyone interested in its history:

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh so you want to play it like that then!? (/s)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pic didn't load but something something emacs whore. Oh yes, i know the ancient texts my son.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Okay then a different one:

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Jim from the office, watching and smiling as people argue over vim vs. emacs.

He knows the truth - that you should use whatever you want and enjoy the most:-).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could just put "(with vim bindings)" after everything, including EMACS. I have them on in Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Good old xkcd - I knew this would show up, e eventually:-), though the concept has since been simplified:

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Though I really like the look of this one:

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And I'm not so sure about this one but there's a funny extension to programming:

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Long live the wars - bc it means that we have so many great options to choose from!:-)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What I read is that the writers are sad it's ending so soon, they wanted to go for longer, but they are setting things up to be open for possible spin-offs, so maybe we'll get something new in the future in the same vein.

I agree that its wild paramount is canceling a successful, and very cheap to produce show, their entire business model as of late seems to be shooting themselves in the foot and then wondering why they keep losing blood.

Edit: clearly vim.

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