If only leaders could step down before the inevitable loss for the good of their voters and their party.... Cough Biden... Cough Trudeau... Cough
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Then you end up with Boris, Truss, Sunaak in a single parliament and then wondering why your party is seen as being incapable of selecting anyone decent and then a crushing electoral defeat.
UK doesn't work like you think it does. The PM is not a publicly elected position like in the USA.
You vote for the party. The winning party tells you who, of their elected members, will have that role. The party can replace the PM on a vote.
it's like the speaker of the house in the USA. Remember all the voting and stuff the Republicans did earlier? Similar.
Yeah I'm Canadian, our system works fairly similarly. We vote liberal or conservative, but the leader can be different depending on the party vote.
Our Trudeau could still decide to not run for PM next election though if he decided not to run.
Your party can't tell you to lead the party if you weren't voted in as part of that party since you didn't run at all.
This is exactly right - the exact same "Let's ~~burn down the system~~ sell off the system to the highest ~~briber~~ bidder" sentiment that's been ruling the Republicans has been eating away at the Tories as well. Now, every time leadership fails to make changes, they toss them out and put someone more extreme in their place (until you hit a Liz Truss)
I feel like the UK is lagging behind and we will see a rubber banding effect. After a decade of cons we will see a weak centrist labour party that will try to right the wrongs of the previous government while also taking all the blame for it. Then come next election cycle, because they were too pussyfoot to change FPTP, a stronger than ever right wing party will undo anything.
Yeah that sounds about right.
The FPTP system in the UK is what makes this incredibly likely. Yes labour won huge with their Tory lite platform, but turnout was shit and their huge majority win isn't even 35 percent of the people who even bothered voting. That's a very fragile landslide and it will turn around when these milquetoast liberals fail to change anything (because they don't want to change anything).
Labour got less votes than 2019. What a landslide! I’m not sure their Tory lite platform did them any favours. They were just Not The Tories and reform split the Tory vote because they were also Not The Tories and promised that everything would be perfect if we just hate immigrants a bit more
Yeah, FPTP is a shitty system and needs to be changed. But it's disconcerting to consider how many hard right Reform MPs we'd have now if we had proportional representation.
To be sure, but with actual labour supporters looking at that and thinking "it's because Tories didn't actually keep their promises to stop immigration" and "let's opress trans people too" I honestly don't think the resulting government with a few more in opposition would've been worse than something where an actual left party might've succeeded. You know, one that provides a revolutionary vision of hope.
“I do think people need hope, but it needs to be what I call ordinary hope, realistic hope,” Starmer said.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/britain-keir-starmer-corbyn-election-serious
This government is doomed.
Unfortunately we won't get proper socialists after that, we'll get fascists.
Don't you think he looks tired?
Depressing that the UK clearly still wants a conservative government, they've just, after 14 years, finally realized the Tories are incompetent perverts.
As an American who is absolutely horrified and embarrassed about our own political climate and voter behavior, it's very good to see a sane and dull transfer of power.
Sunak's speech after stepping down:
Whilst he has been my political opponent, Keir Starmer, will shortly become our prime minister. In this job, his successes will be all our successes, and I wish him and his family well. Whatever our disagreements in this campaign, He is a decent, public spirited man who I respect.
He and his family deserve the very best of our understanding as they make the huge transition to their new lives behind this door. And as he grapples with this most demanding of jobs in an increasingly unstable world.
He didn’t have to do this. It has nothing to do with the transfer of power. Just tradition to run away when you lose but you’re 100% allowed to stay party leader
Not in UK's Conservative Party. They don’t mess around, if the leader doesn’t deliver, they’re out, no questions asked.
Except it has nothing to do with vacating Downing St and the transition of power
Yep our country is screwed in many ways but at least we haven't so far dabbled in that kind of madness. It is fundamentally a properly functioning democracy.
I mean, they literally already have a king.
And, like with the US, you now have progressives inheriting a house that conserves shat in for over a decade. Austerity, Brexit, etc.
I’m curious to see how good Britain’s long term memory is. America forgets about the dangers of conservatism all too quickly.
I wouldn't really call the Labour party progressive
I'm old enough to remember when Thatcher first became PM and from what I've seen Britain's long term memory is pretty shit.
So does Britain. Something like 75 of the last 100 years have had Conservatives in power. Obviously, what that means has changed over time, but it's clear that every time Labour gets a shot at governing, Brits yell "Not good enough!" and put the Tories back in office.
I haven't seen an Englishman take that harsh a blow since Hugh Grant!
Why does Rishi always look like his mum knitted him?
But he's their best leader ever. Labour has not been this strong since I've been following uk politics.
Labour were like 1% point better than 2019. The only difference was the collapse of SNP, and the collapse of the Tory nationalist vote that ran to Reform.
Labour just walked the ball into the open net.
Which Corbin would still have managed to fuck up.
Corbyn, and no. He got 40% in 2017. Keir only 34% here. When the right wing turned on him, including Streeting and his Progress chums on countless occasions there isn't a lot you can do.
The right of the Labour party won't tolerate a left wing party, but the left wing are much more professional, despite treatment of Abbot, Corbyn and others joining strikes.
At least they managed to do that, unlike the center-left in other European countries.
Not sure it's centre left.
They campaigned on being hard on immigration and not increasing taxes to increase spending.
Keir has been quite deceptive and dropped all the policies he claimed in the leadership. He could be more right wing than Blair. So probably center right. The right wing of the party took over. Funded by business.
The thing about Labour is they always try and walk it in.
it really was a ludicrous display
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