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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Have had mine for going on 10 years now

[–] [email protected] 132 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And it will use as much energy as everything else in the house combined.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (11 children)

I wonder how true that is. Does it come down to effective insulation? I also thought the old refrigerants were more efficient but really bad for the environment. The only other factor is motor/pump.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

“And I will eat your children”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't buy the overly fancy fridges: Buy a basic one from a decent company and it will probably last for years.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Decent company = not Samsung or LG

Maytag and its subbrands can actually be fixed and parts are available long term

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I bought a fridge only (no freezer) 20 years ago and it's still chugging along. 🤜🌳 Made in Canada even.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No freezer? Do you have a separate reach in freezer? Can't imagine life without a freezer

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Sure it will work forever, but it also never really worked right in the first place. Those are definitely the fridges where one section freezes and other areas are almost room temp

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 months ago (3 children)

People also have survivorship bias with these things. Sure your refrigerator might have lasted forever but quite a few others did not. There is a reason why appliance repair places existed and were much more common than today.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While that is true, items are purposely made unrepairable now. You don’t have right to repair movements because John Deere and Apple devices are so much more complex to repair for common failure points. You have those movements emerging because companies make it extremely difficult in the name of profit or style. With equally skilled (and due to the internet more informed) and capable repair personnel not being able to even partake in the process.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

They've also gotten more complex over time, increasing difficulty of repair.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

That's to increase perceived obsolescence, where it still works okay but the bells and whistles broke. Also why they put pretty colorful thread on fancy truck seats. Your ass wears it off and makes an $80k truck look ratty.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, growing up we had a harvest gold Frigidaire from the 1970s. It didn't leave us, we left it.

(Don't miss the gallons of ice water in the freezer that had to be defrosted every few months.)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Samsung fridge had the ice maker stop working 5 times in a span of 2 years. The tray mechanism inside would break so often. I actually started buying replacements from AliExpress and treated it as a consumable product.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I just replaced a Samsung fridge after about 6 years when I bought it new.

Never again will I but Samsung appliances.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Samsung appliances are garbage

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

This is what they expected you to do

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Those things have worser energy efficency and probably contain worser refrigerants

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I see your refrigerator and raise you a freestanding oven. The one with coils.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I moved into a dated house that came with dated kitchen appliances 70/80s. I've updated the floors under, the water line and gas line to them. Mostly everything around them. I've still kept the appliances. Still work great.

I'll keep my money and the fridge that still does what new fridge does, keeps shit cold. And the stove that does what a new stove dies, make shit hot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

But why? Like what is failing so often in new fridges?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

All the control boards are always a popular thing to fail. They always cheap out on the components and out the board where it's done get moisture damage.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Compressors fail way too often nowadays. The higher priced old ones were built sturdier and if they didn't fail in a year because of a defect they run almost indefinitely.

The idea that they never fail comes from survivorship bias.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Shitty solder in wiring. Plastic for things that used to be aluminium, aluminium for things that used to be steel.

Just cost cutting by value engineers. I remember reading that the 3rd year of a cars model was probably the best, as they'd worked out the kinks in the design and hadn't watered everything down much... I couldn't back that up if you wanted a source, however

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Source: I work in/with electronics manufacturers

Tl; dr - a mix of value engineering and consumer preference. You wanna buy a $3k TV, or a $700 TV? How rock solid does your automatic sprinkler really need to be, compared to a satellite radio in the Sahel?

Per IPC industry standards, there’s three classes of electronic workmanship/quality control used:

  • Class 1: It works, just about. Shoddy soldering is okay as long as connectivity is maintained. Passing a QA test may be as simple as “it runs when powered”. This is where most consumer grade stuff lives: calculators, watches, flashlights, etc.
  • Class 2: Better built with generally more QA. Testing usually involves actually checking for function and different modes. Generally used only on commercial/civil government stuff like traffic lights, power controllers, heavy machinery - anywhere where reliability and longevity is worth paying more for.
  • Class 3: Complete process control and 100% coverage function (and almost always) burn-in/stress test cycles. Top quality and cost, typically only used for military, aerospace, or medical - where stuff failing means people die.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Thanks, that's really interesting

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

We bought our current car used years ago with a similar philosophy - it was the first year of a new change, and they hadn't changed or recalled anything in the few following years. Combine that with a one car owner locally, and it obviously was a good buy at 17 years old running strong.

But I will say even the best car makes, models, and years have their lemons. You have to look hard at each car's history and evidence to really win. We got pretty lucky.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Today’s products are built to just barely cross some finish line and not a day longer. It’s bad for you, and bad for the environment.

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