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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The presence of comma splices suggests you may not be old enough to have kids anyway.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Okay just play devil's advocate. The coma splices may not be as improper as you suggest . There is currently a debate among language scholars about this very thing. The question being is short form text, spoken work or written word. The way we use a text message or similar, is much more like the spoken word than the written word. Plus we are using in place of spoken word. So many linguists feel that it is acceptable to write it as we speak instead of how the rule of the written word dictate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

That is actually how I choose to write. I think about how I would be saying it, and if there's a slight pause (like just back there) then I'll use a comma.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (14 children)

The worst part is your job thinking you can work infinite hours because you dont have a kid. Its a fucked up tax.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I have a sick (but not dying) sister with 3 kids. As far as work are concerned, I visit every fortnight to help out and rush up to see them every time there's an emergency or they need childcare.

I haven't seen the sister in four years and only see my nephews twice a year when they visit Grandma but work don't need to know that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

just lie and tell them you have a kid

double down, even, and tell them the kid has a debilitating chronic disease that you regularly need to take time off work to bring to appointments and provide support for.

now you have even more free time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've heard that if you let the government know about your child, they even give you free money!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (13 children)

As I write this, a neighbor's child is bawling publicly outside my home.

Yeah, all parents seem to want to tell us how their life was meaningless before they had kids, but I'm good.

I've seen some of the most insanely inappropriate behavior from kids. Yes the fault is mainly the parents but the other day a child literally tried to take my milkshake because they could. It was awkward and if I'd been a couple steps further away I think the kid would've grabbed it out of the worker's hand. The parent said nothing, probably because they spend all day every day saying no and it's exhausting.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

But then you don't get any crappy gifts on Father's Day 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Says who? You can afford to get yourself a nice lego set every holiday, you ain't got no crotch fruit taking all your moneys

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I think the drive to have children is so illogical one might call it a mental illness. Why do you need a kid? "I dunno, it just made me feel better". Why didn't you adopt? "I dunno, just wanted my own".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

It's the most basic survival instinct maybe? Jesus what a dumb fucking comment, holy shit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Here’s the way I see it: we are social creatures, and our relationships define a lot about us and our lives. A parent’s relationship with a child is a very significant one, which can be very rewarding in the right circumstances. We all know the cliche about “if we have a baby it will fix this relationship” and similar.

The drive to reproduce seems like an evolutionary necessity. We wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for that. But that’s an instinct really, and not a rational thought-out thing.

Adoption is extremely important, but it is also the hard mode of becoming a parent. The only reason I even have a biological child is because my wife and I tried one more doctor after being a year or two into the crushing roller coaster of the adoption process, and even having a double adoption fall through.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think people don't realize just how expensive and difficult adoption is. My ex wife and I looked into it when we were having fertility trouble. Turns out, five rounds of IVF would have been cheaper than adoption. People got used to the idea that adoption is cheap in the 80s and 90s when China, Korea, and a lot of the Eastern European states had an excess of unwanted babies. That is no longer the case and babies are very hard to come by.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Like, how expensive? Isn't delivering a baby in a hospital like 10k? Is it really more difficult and expensive than 9 months of pregnancy?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So if babies are hard to come by, are the older orphans hard to come by as well? Or is it just that baby adoption is the preference?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The adoption part really strikes a nerve with me, too. "My own," is always how I've heard it and it's so indicative of a purely self-centered reason for wanting children - it's not about the children at all, it's about the parent. But, that's never what you'll hear from a parent when they try to describe how selfless the ineffability of parental love is for their child: "I can't explain it, you just have to be a parent to understand." I don't buy it, as there countless unloved/unwanted children doomed to grow up in toxic or abusive environments, as well as many step-parents and adopted parents who clearly love their children as much as any biological parent.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

“I can’t explain it, you just have to be a parent to understand.”

makes me wonder if they have tried a pet and wether or not that wasnt just exactly the same feeling

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I think it's a clear sign that it's the selfish genes talking, puppeting your higher functions to make sure they survive. Not for any reason, but just because those are the genes most likely to continue reproducing.

It's a bit egotistic, but I like to imagine I've sublimated the drive to reproduce, by helping out my friends and their kids when I can. Hehe stupid genes, you think these are your kids because the bonds of friendship getting crossed wires with direct kinship. Stupid-ass genes, you don't even know your ride ends here.

Yeah it's really egotistic, but it's a fun little fiction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think of it as more of a fear of death and passing on your own genetics as of way of soothing that fear.

Totally devalues the kid as their own person though (common thing for parents to do).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

If we could measure the essence of “this child was wanted and will be loved” I bet it would be significantly higher for adopted kids. On average, of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have friends who didn't have kids and all of them either end up "adopting" friends who were young and needed a mentor or doing something more meaningful with their lives. One became a professor and is a mentor for kids and the other one became a local radio host that helps people through their emotions.

I honestly didn't know what I was missing until I had my son. To each their own.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

And that's really the point, you don't add meaning to your life because you have a kid. You add meaning to your life by helping others. Some people do that with their kids while my husband and I choose to do that with friends and family. I'm happy with being child free and I'm happy for those people who find meaning in raising their kids. It's not an either/or situation.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

And yet here we are doing the same thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah totally, working and commuting to a job you can't stand to have most of your income taken away by payments and loans. But at least you get to vacation to places that lie further away because you were able to save up more. Because long distance travelling will definitely fulfill every need and longing you have.

Now, back from the negative. To each their own. No one should have kids if they don't want to. But a life without kids is also not just fun and cookies. In our society you are left with little time for yourself and your hobbies no matter whether you have kids or not. Most of us have no attachment to our jobs, we know they are bullshit jobs and salaries are compensating their lack of meaning. I can't understand how people want to find fulfillment in their jobs, something to live for and to draw value for your life from. A minority does have important jobs that can give you a sense of meaning (I imagine nurses, social workers, teachers) but these are usually so underpaid and have such horrible working conditions that it circles back to how can you live for that. You're replaceable. No one will thank you for your service down the line.

You can find joy in hobbies or travelling. But is this what makes your life meaningful? Does that glass of red wine in the evening and good food give your life purpose? On the other hand, do you even need a purpose? Maybe a hedonistic approach of taking just some simple pleasures from your existence is enough, but man I hope realisation won't hit when you're older that you have not tried anything of significance.

But all of that being said, this is not a reason to have kids. Kids are just a very straightforward way to add purpose, meaning, and fulfillment to your life. It is hard and exhausting and makes you angry and frustrated all the time, but this is also what makes life worth living. No one really wants to live wrapped in cotton candy. People who cannot or choose to not have kids can find fulfillment in other aspects of their life. But I'd argue that a sense of being a person close to other people, a social being with commitment and responsibility for someone else, is almost always necessary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kids are just a very straightforward way to add purpose, meaning, and fulfillment to your life

I'm bored and can't find meaning in my life. I'm going to procreate and make it somebody else's problem

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, I don't love how you phrased it, but I'll take it just so I can ask: and what's wrong with that?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All the bad things you mentioned are worse with kids.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is so well said. I was a dumbass until my son was born. Then everything in life was meaningless and my son became my sole purpose in life. My job became meaningless. My friends became meaningless. Everything was focused on being the best father I can be. What was interesting is that when I started getting less of a fuck at work, I started getting promoted and getting paid more. I had more confidence during interviews because I didn't give a fuck about them.

Anyways to each their own, but I want to thank you for replying.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

To remind everyone, you are allowed to get a vasectomy for whatever reason you want. No one is forcing you to have children you don’t want, can’t afford, etc. If you’re told no, find a different fucking doctor.

Also remember, children never fix a broken relationship.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's also vasagel which will hopefully be available before long.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Look at this guy, with his penis, assuming everyone has a penis as well. /s

Conservatives in the US are working very hard at forcing women to have children, especially when they can't afford them.

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