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The President Can Now Assassinate You, Officially (www.thenation.com)

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The President Can Now Legally Assassinate You, Officially if it Supports the SCOTUS Majority's Agenda

Anything Biden did would be determined to be "not official" by them because he's a Democrat.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As I mentioned on another comment, there is no mechanism for the court to enforce that. The DOJ is under the President. Who will arrest the President? The SC may think this empowers them more, but it really does not.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The conservative court acts in tandem with the GOP. Any government organization run by them will provide the support.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Bye, Rachel Maddow.

[+] [email protected] -28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

This is a lie.

I really don't understand how people are twisting this so dramatically. The president is still bound by the law of the constitution. No president can just go on a killing spree. They still need to operate in an official capacity as POTUS. I mean, I understand we don't want to give Trump a win under any circumstances but he most certainly can still be held accountable for his actions.

presidents are entitled to “absolute immunity” from criminal prosecution for official acts,

This is simply not true. There are three levels of actions: core actions defined by the constitution, other official actions as president, and acts outside of being president. It's the first "core" actions that are immune simply because they are defined in the constitution - pardons, appointments, etc. It's like saying putting on your turn signal to make a turn is immune from prosecution. Other actions as president are presumed to be immune but that does not mean they are "absolutely" immune from prosecution.

Presidents are now entitled to “absolute” immunity, which means that no matter what they do, the immunity cannot be lost. They are always and forever immune, no matter what evidence is brought to bear. There is no crime that pierces the veil of absolute immunity.

This is 100% NOT TRUE.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For eight years we've been told we're overreacting as we predict all this stuff like Trump stuffing the courts with conservative activists, overturning Roe, killing chevron deference, and generally legislating from the bench. Poorly written law can be interpreted however they like. True or not, the SCOTUS majority has proven that they don't care what's written in the constitution, law books, etc. Whether or not you think the law can be interpreted a certain way, they are now set up to do whatever they like because even though they don't make the laws, they actually, implicitly do.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to as- sassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in ex- change for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.

Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor

[+] [email protected] -15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

I really don't know what she's going on about and I'm a little concerned.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Then you need reading lessons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That article states they will be removed if convicted. The new ruling states that for anything considered "official", the president can no longer be convicted. That's the problem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

That is NOT what they have ruled. They have ruled that there is a presumptive immunity. That means it can be challenged upon judicial review.

The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But under our system of separated powers, the President may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office.

Roberts then goes on to explain how all but one of the charges need to go back to the courts to determine if he was acting in an official capacity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The only reason they separated out official acts is to stall the ruling on trump's case. If it goes back to the SCOTUS they will say all acts are official but rule on the very last day they can. They are doing this to delay it until after the election.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Welcome back to another episode of "Where's Humanity Going to Shit Next?", where we tackle the depressing consequences of the actions of the human race to our beloved planet Earth. This episode we visit the US once again, where the president decides he now has the power to kill you himself if he feels like it.

Join us next time to see where humanity is really gonna shit next.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Legal schmegal. A bullet has no politics

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