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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A friend bought a new BMW, with all the bells and whistles. The app for the car is like a game, where you have to subscribe to get the juicy content.

You can subscribe to different feature-packs. They sure made the effort, that the $$$ system works flawlessly.

Like, the app surely is buggy and things may not work as expected, but you only get to try it out, when your money is on their account anyway.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I just want an EV company to make the equivalent of a shitty Toyota Prius.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Which has been discontinued. They have said they'll bring back a EUV for the 2026 model year, but we'll see if that comes to fruition.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

General Motors accidentally made a good car so that's why they had to kill it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

They're discontinuing it in 2026.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The headline is very misleading.

This is NOT just about build quality of EVs or engine problems or problems inherent with EVs, it includes minor annoyances that aren't quality problems. Also, this is from reported problems on a SURVEY, not actual problems taken to a dealer to fix. Dodge has the worst rating here while Ram has the best, because Ram owners don't report problems on surveys and not because Ram has better quality (though it likely does as well).

And most of the issues are with tech that is included in higher end cars (rear collision avoidance, rear seat safety belt alarms, lane keeping assist, automatic braking assist, etc), and almost all EVs in the US are higher end cars that are chock full of these up-sells. People are also complaining about entertainment system software and phone pairing, which isn't different from EV to ICE.

Finally, Tesla is one of the worst on the list while also making up the majority of EVs. So the company that has notoriously bad quality and bad design choices strongly skews the metric, since they ONLY make EVs. If Tesla made an ICE it would be just as bad.

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[–] [email protected] 161 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Maybe if they'd focus more on making them functional vehicles instead of smartphones on wheels, it would simplify that problem.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Exactly! Like, take a basic car, and make it an EV. It doesn't need to be a spaceship. I just need speed, charge level, maybe a tach or electrical load indicator, and a range estimator, all of which already exist on a basic car's dash. The head unit can remain a separate device that connects to my phone for navigation and phone. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

Yep!

I've seen enough EV conversions to know it's not rocket science. The instrument cluster just displays the values relayed to it over CAN bus, most of the sensors are the same as they are on a conventional ICE vehicle, and the only real difference is the powertrain. There's some consideration for the battery placement and management, but that's pretty much it. Leave the touchscreens in the backseat for the kids, and give me physical buttons to operate the vehicle.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

...but then how will they rent you services like heated seats?

They need to be able to turn cars into a glorified gacha machine so that they can make money from Whales, too! /s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unless there's major pushback from car buyers in the next 10 years, I'm going to be holding on to my 2017 hybrid for as long as possible. May even look into doing an EV conversion on it or possibly some aftermarket way to make it a plug-in hybrid (there is a plug-in hybrid version of my car, and I've been looking to trade-in for that, but I cannot find any within 250 miles of me).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The bed is starting to rot off my 1999 truck, I'm not sure how or if I should repair it

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Like in past versions of the survey, battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles performed worse than their gas equivalents in just about every repair category measured by JD Power.

“Owners of cutting edge, tech-filled BEVs and PHEVs are experiencing problems that are of a severity level high enough for them to take their new vehicle into the dealership at a rate three times higher than that of gas-powered vehicle owners,” Frank Hanley, senior director of auto benchmarking at JD Power, said in a statement.

JD Power attributes this to major design changes in Teslas, such as the removal of traditional feature controls like turn signal and wiper stalks.

And when car owners try to find relief from terrible native software experiences by mirroring their smartphones, they run into even more obstacles.

Someone who buys a Ram truck every few years is going to report way fewer problems with their experience than someone who is taking a risk on a new brand — or even a new powertrain.

We’re in the midst of a huge shift from traditional gas-powered vehicles to high-powered computers that run on enormous batteries.


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