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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Kbin/Mbin (and possibly others?) definitely have the edge here since those platforms make votes public (only admins can see them on Lemmy). So, if you want to confirm what I'm saying here, go view some of these posts from Kbin/Mbin.

Every time one of the "usual suspects" says stuff like this in the comments, there will later be posts detailing how Biden is doing (or at least earnestly trying to do) exactly the things they're saying he needs to be doing (oR ElSe i WiLl noT voTE anD NEithER ShoULD yoU!!!11!!). 100% of the time, those posts are downvoted by these same "usual suspect" accounts.

What gives? They have very strong opinions about how he should run his administration, so you'd think they'd appreciate him doing what they've been so helpfully suggesting. Unless....it was never about the issues at all.

That thin veneer of concern they're hiding behind is not as thick as they think it is and is quite easy to see through. Now you know where to look.

Edit: Please don't name and shame any specific users. That may violate the community or LW rules. We all know who most of the "usual suspects" are.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I have not been so sure in my vote in any prior election. 2020 I had no doubts, but then trump launched a coup and Biden turned out to actually have a few progressive bones in his body. Biden has straight up impressed me with his accomplishments with the inflation reduction act, chips act, infrastructure bill, and various other accomplishments.

Trump is scarier now than he was in the last 2 elections. He has a roadmap to dismantle our democracy and leave us rocking from crisis to crisis like Argentina or Brazil. I think there would still be elections, but the corruption would blow off the charts and millions will suffer needlessly.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Although I'm not a huge fan of old guard centrists like Biden, I will admit that he's been a decent president. While not enacting the kind of transformative change we need, he has been effective at making improvements to the law and advancing the interests of the people, in spite of pre-Civil War levels of partinsanship and fighting.

Internationally, he has handled the Ukrainian War pretty well by making the entire endeavor a joint NATO action from the very beginning. He's positioned the US as a member of a powerful alliance, rather than a bully that tries to dictate everything. He should have lifted restrictions on military aide earlier, etc., but mistakes are always going to be made in complex situations. His weakest point is Israel, but looking back I'm not sure what he could have done to stop the war. Netanyahu sees this war as the vehicle for his political survival and refuses to listen to reason. He's advanced a reasonable peace process multiple times and has even gotten Hamas on board (with a lot of help from Egypt, Qatar, and others, of course). In the end, he can't force Netanyahu to do the right thing.

And of course, it has to be said that the alternative is worse across the board on every single issue. We still have a need for the president that Obama looked like he was going to be before taking office, but it just isn't going to happen this time. Please just vote for Biden, especially if you live in a swing state. It's what's best for the country.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I’m not American so I’m not going to tell you who to vote for, but don’t pretend that Biden cares about Gaza, even if Trump is worse. You can draw the line wherever you want, compromise whatever you want, but stop lying to yourselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Honestly, neither do most of the people using “GeNoCiDe JoE”

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

If all we can expect is genocide, we have to consider other interests. I don't think Biden wants dead Palestinians, he just isn't willing to toss Israel out in the cold and that is better than cheerleading the bombs.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

100% this. They think they’re not being seen for what they are, but it’s all right there. Plain as day.

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[+] [email protected] -26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Always have to include the caveat "he's trying" to make it not a lie lol.

Neoliberals are great at trying real real hard and never getting there. Kind of like how he "tried" to convince Netanyahu to stop committing genocide and then ended up sending him billions in aid.

Nah, I'm done voting for anyone taking AIPAC money. I'll submit a blank ballot before I vote for any of those pieces of shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I’ll submit a blank ballot before I vote for any of those pieces of shit

Yep, and that’s about as much weight anyone should give to your comments. That sums you up perfectly.. “a blank”

Better this than planting sunflower eh?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I, too, am a very left leftie. So I, too, will be doing checks notes exactly what the most fascist people want me to do. A corrupt Christofascist regime taking control will help us do a socialism. I am very smart.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just admit you have no fucks to give to those that live here in America and instead, will side with people in a country you probably couldn’t have pointed to on a map a year ago and save us all the suffering of having to constantly explain how things work to you.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, as long as upper middle-class Americans are comfortable, absolutely. Saving you from the consequences of your own conservative politics would be a great honor. The rest of the country and world just needs to take a few more for the team am I right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The simple fact that you’re suggesting that my politics are “conservative” truly shows you’re not here to even try to be in good faith.

An in fairness. I’m only here to help you call yourself out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Here’s one now!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Grow up.

I'd vote for a plank of wood before Trump, and it's not because I believe the plank of wood is doing the right thing in Gaza. Someone is going to become president of the United States, and unfortunately for now that's either a Republican or a Democrat. Trump will be worse in Gaza, in addition to being much worse on a whole bunch of other issues.

Ultimately I'd like to see many parties, no more electoral college and ranked choice voting. But I live here and now, so I'm going to vote for the option that's least harmful.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You could just say you don't understand how federal laws are passed in the United States and I'm sure someone would you the ELI5.

This video is a pretty great introduction to how laws are passed.

Once you understand that hopefully you'll understand why Joe Biden can't just do all the things he'd like to.

[+] [email protected] -22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Dang that's some irony right there. Imagine lecturing soneone on how laws are passed and not even knowing what a veto is. And trying to be condescending on top of that.

The president has powers to veto laws and also, as commander in chief he has power to delay or direct aid even when congress goes around him.

Presidents have witheld munitions and aid in the past, this isn't a question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Biden couldn't veto anything related to Israel if he wanted to. All Republicans and enough Democrats would vote to override it instantly. Because Congress is the problem. But sure, continue to waste effort and be counterproductive.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ll submit a blank ballot before I vote for any of those pieces of shit.

We thank you for your privilege.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Prior to 1993, Canadian politics was dominated by two parties: The Liberals, and the Progressive Conservatives.

In the federal election of 1993, the government of the Progressive Conservatives (who had been in power for 9 years) was so unpopular that their vote collapsed and they won only 2 seats in parliament. The Progressive Conservatives were never again a political force in Canada.

In the same election, the votes for minor parties like the Bloc Quebecois and the Reform Alliance surged, with the Bloc Quebecois becoming the new official opposition party with 54 seats in parliament.

Is it wrong for me to hope something similar will happen in the US elections?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, but it is foolish to think that it begins at the Presidency. Historically, new parties have emerged from grassroots movements, beginning with local offices like school boards and city councils. Otherwise, they have been splintered from existing parties.

So do those things down-ballot instead.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we can limp along with a major party and a minor party for a couple decades. We have before.

There will never be more than 2 for more than 1 election cycle. Ross Perot couldn't do it. Pat Buchanan couldn't do it. George Wallace couldn't do it.

Teddy Big Brass Balls Roosevelt couldn't do it with with his Bull Moose Party as a two term ex president. If he couldn't do it, nobody can.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah, people talking about proportional representation seem to turn a blind and eye to the Senate, which has had principled socialists and libertarians in its seats. It's not a healthy state of affairs, but if you wanted to send a message to the Democrats theres a proven way to do it in house and Senate races, trying to make big swings at the presidential level is just idiotic and betrays bad faith.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wrong? No. But I would warn, as a fellow Canadian myself, that it didn't totally fix the problem.

Pierre Polievre (current right wing leader who walked with the Trucker convoy) is probably going to win at least a minority, and the more right wing parts of my family can't hide their hope he "finally helps the majority, rather then all these minorities getting help."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If he wins a minority he has to partner with another party to form government.

He's been shit talking them all so they probably are going to tell him to fuck his hat.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he wins a minority he has to partner with another party to form government.

No, that's not how it works in Canada. By convention, whichever party has the most seats in parliament forms government, even they don't have a majority.

In theory, the other parties could form a coalition (giving them a majority of seats), but Canada has no tradition of that and the last time a group of parties proposed doing that, it led to a constitutional crisis.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's not entirely correct, you have to be able to get a majority of votes during Matters of Confidence and if you don't you have to call a general election.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or the liberals will join up with him and they'll just make sure no one hurts the corporations they were paid by.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Let’s keep this grounded in reality, okay?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago

It's not at all unreasonable to hope for it, but you need to see sufficiently low support for the party in question. That does not look even slightly plausible in the upcoming US election. It might happen in the upcoming UK one, and you can see clearly the difference in polling and reporting

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

It has before. We no longer see the Whig Party on the ballot. I'm also hoping we can do it again.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (5 children)

CLASSIC LINKERBAAN

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Agreed, but I"m not looking to name/shame here (that may also violate the community or LW rules).

The point is we all know who at least a good portion of the "usual suspects" are.