Michelle Obama. Less baggage (for better or worse). More beloved.
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Worse politics, plus her favorability would drop as soon as she became an active candidate.
It’s a sad but proven truth that the USA is not ready for a woman president.
I voted for both Hillary and Kamala. But I’m open minded. Too many Americans simply are not.
There is a clear prevailing consensus in the USA (not a correct or good consensus, but nevertheless it’s here) that woman should not be leaders. Even a large percentage of women believe in this.
We NEED to change the consensus. How do we change the consensus? It’s clear that pushing the envelope by making a woman the presidential candidate has not worked. The patriarchal front is dug in too deeply for such a frontal assault.
I believe the first woman president of the USA will be a woman VP who takes over after the president is removed, for whatever reason. A “side door” approach.
I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I think AOC running for the presidency will put another Republican in the White House.
One of my conservative friends (also a woman) said the same thing: women shouldn't be in power. Stunlocked me for a second.
That's why conservative women exist. There's a known phenomenon where the victims of abuse are often the most vociferous defenders of their abusers.
Culturally you see this in things like the defenders of hazing but there's plenty of science on the topic to back up the observation.
The thing about that, however, is those votes aren't something you were going to win, ever, and it's not something you should chase.
If the BIG Bill of Garbage passes, there are no more free elections.
AOC with Harris for VP and Sanders for Dept. of Health.
Why Harris?
Secure "democrat" funding for the campaign, Sanders is too old and "too commie".
I feel like your (the US') only hope is a proper grassroots campaign.
Preferential voting or bust.
Because it's really going to be bust, at this rate.
No way AOC is getting anywhere near the Presidency unless there is a full scale revolution. Sad, but true.
I think the only legitimate chance Democrats have is Luigi Mangione. You have to fight fire with fire. He's young, smart, charismatic, from a well to do background, and not even a felon like our current president. Also brave unlike our Republican chickenshit losers. Sanders as running mate.
Luigi Mangione is fine. But he has no experience. What will he bring during discussions ? AOC is ok for president post. But she is not that popular. I mean even Bernie Sanders has not become president despite being in active politics for so many decades. But let's see what will happen in USA after Trump steps down when his tenure gets over.
Do you mean after his third or fourth term?
would that mean the US would have a good chance at having free/universal healthcare?
I'll bet $1000 that we'll slip into fascism unless we vote Mangione as a write in. Nobody else has the guts to stand up to these thugs. The guy is paraded around like he's guilty, and stands tall. Sorry but not even AOC seems able to do anything but talk.
Right now, the ticket I think has the best chance of winning is Buttigieg/AOC. I think the DNC knows they need to go younger and have someone who can stand up to a bully in an eloquent and calm manner that will win over reasonable people. And I think AOC probably knows that the only way the DNC is letting a democratic socialist on the ticket is if they fall in line a bit and not come off as a firebrand who has to fix everything with drastic change and would be willing to go incrementally in the left direction. The DNC would be wise to energize the Bernie youth vote they abandoned last election cycle, but they definitely won't give her the keys or their blessing alone which blows. This ticket gives you appeal to the youth, to the rational elder folks like even my 70 year old lifetime republican father who hates trump, the gay community, city folk, country folk, and of course veterans too. Pretty solid combo if you ask me.
I will be a touch disappointed if there is still a us in 2028.
I don't think that the us is worth saving at this point.
As much as we'd all faun over the fall of the US empire, I don't think fascism in the US would work out well for anyone.
Well its here, and I can hope/dream its the dumb type of fascism that collapses under its own weight.
God, americans are so naive. There won't be fair elections anymore. You had your chance and you blew it! It's over for your democracy.
It is looking more and more like the election was stolen.
Edit: You are blaming Americans for screwing up the previous election becuase this next one will not be fair.....when the last one you are blaming Americans for was already rigged.
there's a reason for that.
It's the Democrats. They still haven't realized that the game is over. Nobody's playing by the rules. Why would they start during an election?
It’s the Democrats.
It is Americans as a whole. 1/3 of then didn't even bother voting.
They get what they have coming to them.
So long as the donor checks keep clearing, establishment Dems are happy to play spoiler for big business and let Trump destroy the country.
Until the money is worthless and they realize they're the frog in the saucepan.
It’s the Democrats.
It's the people blaming the politicians instead of doing something about it.
But almost no one cares until they get ICe'd. That's human nature for you.
Both are happening.
It's important to understand what went wrong so when you with on a fix, you won't make the same mistake.
People can both bitch about politicians and also help fix the problem.
The democrats have handed Trump the country on a plate. As a non American I've been saying the American "Empire" will fall eventually, I never thought it would be to a fascist, and with a wimper.
She is picking a fight with the billionaire oligarchs and unfortunately it seems like a losing battle. Democrats and republicans alike will campaign against her.
Simple. I'm voting AOC if her name is on the ballot. Take my vote AOC!
She has no path forward clearing primary to fight for presidency.
Imagine a primary with AOC, Pete Buttegieg, and maybe a third younger candidate....
All could be really exciting to see advance, but they'll split the vote and open the way for some stupid fucking corpse to win.
I hate this system.
Do they not have preferential voting in the primaries?
Is this a specific NYC democratic party thing?
I am not from the US.
You are also forgetting the SuperPACs
fucking citizens united fucked up the US.
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