But I have very appealing arguments in favor of committing Genocide. Sir please one moment of your attention
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Palestinians can never lose
Legit question, if I don't believe in 'Free Palestine', but I do believe in 'Fuck Isreal', am I an ally or an asshole?
Both, but that's okay too. Let's grab a beer sometime.
Why should Palestine not be free?
You'd have to expand on that
All I know is that I watched a video of a young girl, maybe 10 or 11, wailing and crying and saying that her house was bombed by the Israelis while she went to the aid station, and all she found when she returned was rubble and the bloody chunks of her family.
She's hardly the only story, and continuing to brutalize the Palestinians is only going to succeed in creating a generation of angry young adults who will continue to line up to join Hamas for revenge.
People of whatever side trying to shortcut critical think with bullshit answers like that are super sus.
People trying to overload your critical thinking with tons of nonsensical arguments must be cut off like this.
There's no point in thinking about what someone arguing in bad faith says. You'll demonstrate how they're wrong, and they've already come up with 3 new bogus arguments while ignoring that they were wrong.
You don't know if they are nonsensical arguments, if you don't read them, that's the point.
My brother in Christ what sensical argument could there possibly be made in favor of what the Israelis are doing in Gaza?
Just become some asshole on the internet said it's a table doesn't mean it has legs to stand on.
genocide is always wrong. i don't need to read your apologia to reconsider whether I'll be ok with genocide.
Well, yeah...
You're taking this as a blanket reply to a first comment, the person you're replying to is more talking about "the last straw" after already giving discourse a shot.
I usually give people about 3-5 replies before giving up on them.
At that point you have enough data to decide if disengagment is the only sane option.
If you just always kept replying to someone and treating it like a conversation, some people will just never stop replying.
At a certain point you have to just walk away from the conversation.
I generally agree with what you wrote, but just saying "I ain't reading all that, free Palestine" is a bad way to phrase it. Only a few days ago, someone posted this which boils down to the same phrasing, but arrives at the conclusion "trump 2024!". Saying something like "this is obviously a manipulative and false narrative" would be way better imho.
I don’t like the logic that “you cant say this because it is a similarly structured statement to something someone bad said”
Also “i aint reading all of that; free palestine” is a lot better since it isn’t like you are gonna convince any zionists to change sides with logic, since they don’t care about logic or truth. They care about the narrative and the stories they have.
As someone who routinely ~~gets drunk and~~ argues with zionists, I’ve noticed that most people nowadays are entrenched with their position on the genocide. And like arguments I’ve had with fascists in the past, you aren’t gonna be able to actually argue with them because they have 100 propaganda points drip fed from both American liberal and conservative media, and Israeli press, ready to pull out at once.
When you get dog piled, or someone cites 30 propaganda news pieces, you shouldn’t engage, its a waste of time. “I aint reading that; free palestine” is probably the best thing to say
It's not a debate strategy only available to one side, it's a statement.
It's what you tell a flat earther who demands you watch a 2 hour video. You quit engaging because their arguments are very, very stupid.
Bruh
There's a difference between that being their actual train of thinking, and just not arguing with someone who's pro genocide.
Like, I run across a lot of accounts. And give them a shot to talk in good faith.
But there's people out there who want nothing else but to argue. They have no logical consistency and will just keep saying things, and after you point out why they're wrong, drop it and pick a new one.
It gets fucking exhausting, and isn't ever going to be productive.
So I just started blocking them and it's made Lemmy so much better.
There's a very good chance the person in the screenshot is at the same point. They're just tired of people defending genocide, they know facts and logic won't get them to stop, and interacting with someone would just be a waste of time.
So...
TLDR,FP
Yeah, I agree with all of that and that's all valid! And I know that it's not their actual train of thinking, I just think that this leaves on a weak argument and that just feels kind of... defeating, you know? I'm all for blocking fact and logic-resistant people, I just really don't want to give them the feeling that they've won the discussion. But I guess you're right and with people like these you just can't end on a high note.
I just really don’t want to give them the feeling that they’ve won the discussion
If it was reddit where possibly millions of people would see a chain of comments, sure, it would matter disproving them.
But Lemmy is still small enough it doesn't really matter, but there's still enough people someone else can handle it. I'd rather spend my time genuinely trying to help someone understand something than waste it on people who just wants a slap fight.
Fair warning though, once they realize you never reply or down vote their comments, they usually won't take it well. You'll get a lot of reports and more than a few of them started tagging me in their comments so I'd still see their insults.
I'm not sure if they quit because they move on to someone else, or if reporting the harassment stops them, but I've never had one do it for longer than a month after blocking them.
They will always have reasoning for the bombings, always had (eerily similar to the "mobile bioweapons factories in Afghanistan, which where faked by the cia). So why would I trust one word out of their mouths? They accept civilian casualties as necessary. Disgusting.
This is both sides BTW.
"mobile bioweapons factories in ~~Afghanistan~~ Iraq" To quote our minister for foreign affairs: "I'm not convinced"
Its difficult to trust anyone in the current times ...
I would suggest there's more than 2 sides here. There's Hamas (and their supporters), who are most definitely assholes, and then there's Israel's military and intelligence aparatus and their supporters... who are also most definitely assholes.
then there are the civilians getting fucked over by all the assholes.
Nah, there's two sides. Israel and Hamas are both on the side of war. And every sensible person is on the side of peace and not genocide.
Yes. But its portrayed as "one side or the other" and I really don't like either of those sides