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Series: Conservatives of Lemmy: What do you think has gone awry in modern society and how might it be constructively addressed? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'd like to start a series seeking viewpoints from across the political spectrum in general discussions about modern society and where everyone stands on what is not working, what is working, and where we see things going in the future.

Please answer in good-faith and if you don't consider yourself conservative or "to the right", please reserve top-level discussion for those folks so it reaches the "right" folks haha.

Please don't downvote respectful content that is merely contrary to your political sensibillities, lets have actual discourse and learn more about each other and our respective viewpoints.

Will be doing other sides soon but lets start with this and see where it takes us.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (23 children)

Well, we've become so tolerant, we've forgotten that somethings are just not good, and it's become taboo to talk about certain things.

Certain ideologies are just not compatible with western culture, specifically those who condone raping women and murdering lgbtq people. Ideologies are not races or ethnicity, they are not inherent to you like race is. Nazis are an ideology, so why give other ideologies a pass?

Furthermore, immigration hurts the average worker. A person born into a poorer country will usually work for less than a person born into a richer country. Immigrants are basically scabs, cheap abusable labor, and that's why we let in millions into western countries.

Canadians can't buy a house, the UK can't get a doctors appointment, Germany elected the nazis in, Italy came close to electing fascists, Sweden is the rape capitol of Europe, and America is close to electing Trump again, wages are down every where, purchasing power is down, everything is fucked.

We've let in so many in the name of tolerance it causes problems that we aren't even allowed to discuss, and it's destroying our countries.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

American society is too individualistic and needs a greater focus on family, including multigenerational households.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I suppose I'm conservative according to lemmy, (I'm also not great at internet arguments, but do like conversation, so let's keep this nice.) Also, I'm not an expert, but I'd like to get the ball rolling here.

In my opinion, I think modern society is just more disrespectful. Social media makes the "shock and awe" approach the way to go to get views and get heard. Everyone is just pursuing their own "mic drop" moment. There's just so much noise.

So to get heard and stand out you have to get more extreme and entrench in your own views.

So how do we fix it?

In my mind, respect comes from better parenting. More time off from work for people does not necessarily mean more time with their own kids, but it certainly can't hurt. So maybe a reduction in the normal working week from 40 hours to maybe 35 would make a difference.

I'm not sure how we could make incentives to have people be better parents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It's a fair point. I don't know if I could say I put all the blame on bad parenting, but I do think absence of parents (or, maybe, absence of parental attention) is definitely a thing that stunts kids emotionally for a number of reasons (including overexposure to social media).

I think the incentive to be a better parent is already there for most people; humans are pretty well hardwired to want to look after our offspring. But it's being drowned out by multiple other incentives to spend time elsewhere, or risk falling into trouble - financial, social, whatever. It's going to take more than an hour off from work a day to ease the incredible anxiety we're filled with to focus on working more/harder.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have all the answers either, but I think it's going to take a multi-pronged approach.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I was called "extremely right wing" the other day by a tankie, so I guess I can technically answer:

Politicians pushing regressive legislation and talking points, instead of just letting people be who they are
Conservatives who have no interest in conserving anything
Extreme and growing wealth gaps
Money in politics
They never renewed Firefly
They renewed Star Wars
Fascists allowed to walk around unpunched

...yeah, as you can probably guess, I don't exactly consider myself a conservative. You need to define what you consider centrist in this context.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Conservatives, or people who would be considered conservative on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Lemmings who consider themselves and tend to the right politically. I realize Lemmy heavily leans left so this might be a less engaged thread but I want to do different vantage points as seperate threads.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's hella weird around here, because I consider myself moderate-to-reasonably-left wing, but by Lemmy standards I'm probably waaaaaay conservative. Like some of the stuff I see celebrated around here definitely makes my eyebrows shoot up.

And like, I'd actually enjoy having this discussion as well in that frame, but I don't think I can honestly answer as a "conservative".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lemmy seems like quite a progressive/leftist circlejerk to me atm, I think you'd have to change platforms to find many authentic conservatives

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