HN reckons https://www.showsonsale.com is where the price collusion happens.
this post was submitted on 11 Jun 2024
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If you're selling out, you're not charging enough to maximise profits
Just for shits, I recently looked up tickets to Jane's Addicition in CT. $90 for the shittiest seat in the house. Center nosebleeds were $130. That was before fees.
Absolute madness.
$200?
That’s all?
That’s what the nosebleed seats go for at a major show, retail, which you won’t get because the scalpers have already bought everything on Ticketmaster in the first 5 minutes the show goes on sale. Then they’re on Ticketmaster for resale for $300 plus fees. And the prices will continue to go up as the show gets closer.
...good seats have run about $1000 / pair after fees + parking since before the pandemic...
This reads a lot like nuance trolling. The “mystery” seems extremely one-dimensional: most fans aren’t “pay a ridiculous amount to see a band from a half-mile away” fans.
Sleep Token toured the US earlier this year, and came near where I live. The cheapest ticket prices were $700. That's approaching Taylor Swift prices for a popular, but still niche, metal band.
I would pay $700 to see Mayhem play a live De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas with a resurrected Per "Dead" Ohlin (and no Varg Vikernes, because fuck that guy), but I'm not paying $700 to see Sleep Token.
That’s not even “approaching Taylor swift levels,” it’s more. 6th row floor seats for TS were like $500. Nosebleeds were under $200. I’d love to see Sleep Token though
I think they're exaggerating. My friends went to sleep token in Tampa and floor seats were $250.
That still seems like a lot. Went to A Day To Remember last week for $25 and at the very least, I'd argue they're less niche than Sleep Token. Godsmack will be around later this year for around $100.
I would tend to agree but this was a mid size arena and it was sold out. Sleep token fans are a bit fanatical, even if they're not a mainstream act per se.
Not going to bother resurrecting Euronymous?
Oopsie. Forgot him. 😬
I won't pay $1,000 to see anyone. Make ticket prices $35 and the places will be packed.
When they do, ticket re-sellers buy them all up and jack up the prices anyway. The government needs to make ticket resellers illegal like scalping. Live Nation will fight that because it guarantees them sold out shows often.
The good old physical sale with ID want to say something.
Ticket reselling is scalping. It's just the modern version of it.
Ticketmaster and live nation are the ones reselling their own tickets. Tickets sell out in minutes, and those vultures get to charge $700 for a $100 ticket. Plus the fees. Or they make deals with scalpers to sell them in bulk so they get the fees for both the initial sale and the resale. Now that their official resale markets exist, they’ve got their hand in everyone’s pocket coming and going.
Any performer that doesn't pursue increased with profit with every new tour is a filthy socialist!
/s
I paid the most I'd ever paid for tickets earlier this year. Then again by a much larger margin last month. It's out of control.
It's a vicious cycle. More groups are skimming artists' revenues off the top. So ticket prices rise. Then customer's demand more glitzy superficial features to justify the value. That adds cost and raises prices more. Rinse and repeat.
The best artists to listen to live are your local sounds at your neighbourhood stage.
Then customer's demand more glitzy superficial features to justify the value.
Do they, though? That's not what I see in my friend and family group.
Support local music and musicians. Go to their shows. Buy their CDs and merch. Stop giving big corporations your dollars.
This is the way.
This is a part of it: musicians these days make most of their money on tours. They're not making a lot by you buying the album (although you still should to support your favorite artists).
Not musicians "these days". This has always been the case.
Person creating thing doesn't actually make most of their money from having made thing. Ridiculous.
They didn't create it though (At least that's the argument).
Very few artists make money through record sales, and this has always been true not just recently with Spotify.
Even in the '80s bands were starving but then people pointed to Guns and Roses as examples that made money from record sales. Record labels signed contracts with bands to record and press albums, they took 90% of the money and gave artists cash up front. Unless they were already Aerosmith, the deal wasn't great.
People bitching about Spotify taking most of the money, whilst it might be wrong, don't seem to know their history. If you want to support bands it has always been about seeing them live and buying merch.
Artists don't get good deals from Spotify because their labels are signing bad deals for them and it doesn't matter "if they made the music".
Slavery was also always done most commonly through history. Doesn't make it right.
My comments was simply noting that if you are an artist and made something, you should get most, if not all, of the money for it. The record industry steals from them like most of capitalism does from everybody, amd here you are simping for it and explaining it to me for some idiotic reason.
Yep, there's a long internet post from the late 90s by Courtney Love that lays it all out. The labels make all the money from record sales and it wasn't rare for artists to end up owing the label money after making a record.
Oh well then I guess it's okay and fuck all the artists.
No one said it's okay.
We said "buying albums doesn't directly support artists".
Artists make a recording of a bunch of songs. A label buys that copy of a recording and makes a bunch of prints.
Album goes on to make millions, band had sold that copy of the recording so doesn't get anything from the secondary selling.
Label then licenses that recording to Spotify. Spotify then makes money on people's subscriptions and gives the 60% to the label they licensed it from. Notice how the artist isn't involved here?
No one is a fucking slave you idiot, and no one is justifying it. Pirate the album and go to shows and buy their merchandise. This has always been the way, and remains the way.
It seems silly to believe every artist with a label can go on an arena tour. In my city arena shows used to be reserved for the biggest of the big. Now no touring bands will play smaller venues and simultaneously perplexed why fans won't show up at $200 a seat. Meanwhile the medium venues are either hosting the same local bands repeatedly, or closing.
What a conundrum.
You still see plenty of small shops in my area.
Big arenas are heavily subsidized by the municipality. They support a constellation of vendors and consultants and advertisers, all vested in its success. They create their own kind of economic gravity that draws the industry in around it. And when they can't bring in customers to justify their existence, they accrue enormous amounts of debt and trigger regional downturns in their collapse.
subsidized by the municipality
This should never happen and they should have never existed if that was the only way they would have been built.
I don't care how wrong my country believes I am, municipal/state/federal aid/tax advantages should never go to any for private profit enterprise, ever, let alone multi billion dollar sport franchises, whats next, subsidizing big oil companies? Lol yeah, this is a dark fucking time-line.
If the city/county/state can afford such things, help people from the bottom up. House the homeless. Fix your shit schools instead of selling them out to the charter school scam. Oh and "it will foster revenue so it's a good deal!" Is always a lie because it's never certain yet is always portrayed as such, it doesn't always work out, and it creates massive failures when the house of cards eventually fall and those dependant on that state sponsored lie also fail as you said.
Cities/counties/states shouldn't be gambling with their citizens money to potentially, tangentially benefit them while further enriching those with too much directly as a sure thing. But of course the rigged market capitalism true believer officials get bribed either way in some of form or another, so it won't stop till the track (society) collapses from its profound, private profit driven neglect.
Our owner class truly believes they can sustain an economy made up of and powered by the 90% almost exclusively for the top 10%.
Almost makes me glad they're also recklessly ending the world (for humans and other not so physically resilient/hearty species, not all life thankfully) in pursuit of even moooaaaar short term growth/metastasis cash crabs. I'd prefer nature go back to the drawing board to having a few humans exploit the value out of most humans very lives in perpetuity.
That ongoing reality makes me ashamed to call myself human, not proud.
Do you believe you’d be happier or more able to pursue what makes you happy as a hunter-gatherer, subsistence farmer, or citizen of any society from the stone age up until the advent of modern industrialization?