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10 Reasons To Stop Hating Star Trek: Discovery (No, they're not blind to criticism) (www.youtube.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

ENT at least wanted to be a Star Trek show. Disco banked on the IP for nostalgia and then did nothing nostalgic with it.

I'm fine with people liking Disco or whatever but it's like, the show only got good after they went a billion years into the future and were allowed to thrive in their own sandbox, rather than being tied down in the TOS era.

I would have immediately enjoyed it more if they had made it a post-Nemesis starting point. It would have been more interesting to check in on the Terran Rebellion than it was to check in on the Empire. All that stuff was gross.

Strange New Worlds takes all the new aesthetics established by Disco and actually applies a Star Trek formula to it, and I'm much happier with that show. It wants to be where it is, and it wants to be what it's doing. Intent and planning are everything with media. Disco lacked in both early on, but I'm glad it pivoted.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

I'm amazed with how factually written this comment is when literally everything in it is based off of opinion and personal takes.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I started hating Discovery. I ended loving it. The things I hated to start off were the retcon of the Klingons and the fact that it felt closer to the reboot films than the previous Treks. But there’s so much to love about it. The story is pretty incredible. It was definitely more intense than previous Treks, the character development was great. There was just enough humor to break things up. The twists were actual twists for the most part.

I honestly think people were hoping for something more utopian, forgetting about the timeframe of the show comes before even TOS, so things are more chaotic. It’s not my favorite Trek, but I think I’d put it around TNG if not above it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly? Agreed on literally every point. When it was first announced I fucking hated it and refused to watch it. I heard a bunch from other Trek friends and fans talking about how it was pandering with the gay characters and saw some stuff on YouTube backing it up.

I was an absolute moron.

I caved and decided to watch it because I was itching for something new in Trek. HATED the first few episodes. Loathed it. I think it was like the second last episode when Stamets terraforms a moon with mushrooms that I started to finally come around. I started to watch the second season, cautious, and within 15 minutes I was on the edge of my seat with a giddy smile on my face and laughing like a fool.

Discovery is amazing. It's not without its flaws but the hate it gets is undeserved. Lately I've just been saying that Discovery has been getting the Prequel treatment and will continue to do so. Prequels were fucking hated when they first came out. Mocked relentlessly. Child actor of Anakin bullied to a really extreme and depressing point. Now? Beloved. Memed to high heaven. Remembered fondly. Loved. Discovery will get that too.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't hate it, I simply don't care about it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I kinda feel bad for Disco fans. I ain't out there to yuck anyone's yums, but it was such a different kind of show to previous Star Treks, I'm not surprised it didn't land well with many fans. And it's become so commonplace to shit on it (for many valid reasons but also some nasty ones and folks with the latter should fuck right off).

I wore a Star Trek shirt to a wedding and got many compliments, one from a guy who explained his favorite was Discovery, even named his cat after Michael, he felt it was really important to him and asked what I thought about it. I got a battery of polite things to say in this situation, but a more drunken attendee practically lept over to exclaim "Discovery? MAN that one blew chunks!! What were they thinking?? Shoulda been another sci-fi show without the Trek name." and, jeez, read the room!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I guess what I’m saying is, we don’t gotta all like it, but Disco fans are Trek fans and we gotta be nice to em, they’re here for largely the same reasons we are and, hey, maybe one day they’ll go back and learn that the best Trek is Deep Space Nine.

I've said many times that the best Trek is the Trek you like the most.

I remember when TNG was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when DS9 was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when Voyager was "bad Star Trek."

I remember when Enterprise was "bad Star Trek."

And you will find people who name any one of those as their favorites.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly? Thanks. That's what bugs me the most. People just shit on Discovery for no reason other than to be an asshole and it's incredibly common place. Everytime the show gets mentioned someone has to come in and say how they didn't like it because it sucked for whatever reason. That doesn't happen with anything else. Can you imagine if I rocked up and said how much I hate Deep Space 9 everytime someone mentioned that they loved the show? Because I do. I cannot stand Deep Space 9. There are characters in it that I love but other characters I despise to the point I can't watch it. Personally I think it messed up a lot and made a lot of mistakes and I don't like watching it or spending my time even really thinking about it which is why I post so few DS9 memes.

However.

I've said I don't like Deep Space 9 like three times in the entire time I've been on Lemmy and it's been in instances like this. There's no reason for me to wander around saying "Hey yeah but like this sucks and for this reason and this is also ass and other reasons". Discovery just became 'cool' to hate and is bashed relentlessly. That's why I posted this video. A lot of the complaints are either unfounded or based on a misunderstanding. Not that there are not criticisms, but things like the dark tone and less utopian society (as you mentioned) are misunderstood. People can like it or not like it. Totally their right. My only hope and wish is that people like it for their own personal reasons from experience that are shaped with the full picture and not just based off of misunderstandings or, worse still, things heard from some random cunt on youtube.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The folks that complain about "pandering" or whatever when Disco comes up are morons, plain and simple. Folks that complain about the writing or style of the show, I think that's got more legs, but it's all been said already and it doesn't serve a great deal of purpose to rehash it.

The actors are great, Sonequa Martin-Green in particular has a lot of really challenging scenes that she nails expertly. Doug Jones is so good at being a gangly alien that it's taken for granted but that's because he's so truly incredible he makes it seem easy. Jason Isaacs plays his role so deplorably he's easy to hate which is amazing for a villain, probably one of the best in the franchise only behind Marc Alaimo or Louis Fletcher. Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz have such chemistry on screen, especially in the more mundane scenes they share.

Maybe there will be this kind of retrospective revival for Disco, I dunno. But I do think the actors deserve better than to be associated with the problems the show had, manufactured or actual.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Awesome take. I tried to push through, but I similarly just didn't see any Trek in it other than a coated layer. I felt especially vindicated when Strange New Worlds came out so amazing.

No need for hate or anger toward it. We want studios to try new things. I was initially very afraid that it was ostracizing trek fans though. Telling them to f off in exchange for a wider scifi action audience

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I stand by Discovery, I enjoy that show. My main complaint is that I could've used more Jason Isaacs.

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