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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (33 children)

They should regulate the weight of cars. There's no reason passenger vehicles should be as heavy as they are. For EVs they honestly shouldn't have as much range as they do. 150 miles and improved charging infrastructure, make charging easier for folks who park on the street, is a better way to go. Folks who need to drive more than that a day should have a hybrid or ICE vehicle. Ideally a small fuel efficient one. Folks who need pickups for work should be able to buy the small European versions or work vans.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

250mi is a good number. Enough to do a lot of errands and medium trips in a day and charge overnight.

Bolt EV/EUV has that and it's a compact.

Better to charge higher registration fees by weight.

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[–] [email protected] 271 points 9 months ago (19 children)

Hmm, these huge trucks are killing pedestrians, causing worse crashes due to crash incompatibility, destroying the climate, and now smashing through guard rails and flying off cliffs. We'd better change our entire country's infrastructure to accommodate them.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the good Christian thing to do

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

new vehicle weight tax to fund the new guardrails

[–] [email protected] 133 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Tax the heavy cars much more, they cause more dammage in crashes and way more wear and tear in general.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Fuck that. The problem isnt that people want bigger cars. The problem is that NHTSA's CAFE standards favor manufacture of larger cars.

CAFE slowly reduces the amount of emissions that vehicles can have, but they fucked it up: the required reductions are greatest on the smallest, most efficient cars, and lowest on the largest vehicles. Manufacturers "comply" with these standards by dropping their smallest cars from their lineup, and increasing the sizes of everything left on the market.

Fix the fucking standards to favor smaller cars, and manufacturers will follow.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Rather than tax them a bit more, which won't actually improve safety if people just opt to pay the tax and drive them anyway, why not just straight up legislate weight limits for private vehicles, with commercial licensing as done with cargo trucks expanded to fit more conventional vehicles driven for commercial purposes that have to be large and heavy? Car companies will start making smaller cars again real quick if they're not allowed to sell them otherwise

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

The point is to use the tax to pay for upgrading the infrastucture. Also attempting to regulate car sizes like that would be political suicide in most states.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (8 children)

At least here in Cali we do. My HD truck gets an extra $500~ a year tax on top of the Gas guzzler tax I paid when new. Plus the fuel costs/taxes for that. Compared to my other cars I pay about $600 more for newal on it. The Average car is like $245 a year but the truck is like $840.

Definitely fine with paying the extra taxes though. I use more infrastructure and I also require additional strengthening of crash systems and cause road damage so I’m not opposed.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Or just ban them from certain roads.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

EVs are extremely heavy too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Yes, as mentioned in the article they can be 30% heavier for the same vehicle

Electric cars often weigh around 30 percent more than a gas-powered counterpart, because big vehicles require enormous batteries to propel them hundreds of miles between charges.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm in Texas and will have to pay a $300 registration tax on my ev for it being "heavy and destructive and not paying fuel tax". My ev is a 2018 Fiat 500e and weighs 2900lbs. I'm tired of this argument especially when plenty of trucks weigh anywhere from 4500lbs (for the smallest examples) to quite literally 80k. Raise the fuel tax and you'll solve heavy vehicles virtually overnight.

Before anyone gets on my case I'm fully aware that not all evs are as light as mine, but plenty are lighter than an f150.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but they wouldn't have to be, if not for people wanting a giant SUV with 400 miles of range. The weight goes up nonlinearly, because people aren't willing to compromise on lifestyle for the benefit of those around them. And then they expect us not just to tolerate their lifestyle, but actually subsidize it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know America has an obesity epidemic, but did it really have to be extended to our cars?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

fuel eff requirements tied to weight

just another oil company + car company scam

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

It's not like heavy work trucks didn't exist back then, was it just that there weren't enough of them to care?

NGL - my last car was pretty big, but Google assures me it was only 4,100 lbs. My current car is the same size and is just under 5,000 pounds.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, it's about reducing fatalities by engineering to the average, not engineering to the worst case.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For the trucks and land boats that weight more. Lol, that's is all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The article literally says that the problem will just get worse as we move to electric cars since they’re heavier.

I dislike people having useless pickup trucks as much as the next guy, but I don’t think they deserve to die either. Or how about semi drivers? You know, a crucial part of our delivery infrastructure?

Maybe take the time to read next time and think with the smart part of your brain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, have you looked at the weights of actual electric cars and not electric SUV and trucks? The average weight of a electric car is between 3-6k in weight. Secondly, where was the outrage when people were complaining about semis and safety? NHTSA has been at the mercy of the semi industry regarding safety updates. How long have people been fighting regarding undercarriage protectors to protect car drivers from losing their lives to the semi industry? Where has the outage been about the weight protection of those guardrails for semis? I didn't know semis are so new to this country.

Again, SUVs and trucks drivers that just drive those for status... Boofuckinhoo.

Here a link for your average weight for electric cars.

Even a Tesla weighs less than the max weight allowed for the rails. But I guess my brain is useless.

Edit: a whole documentary for you about the undercarriage guards link.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The current version of MGS was developed to withstand cars weighing a maximum of 5,000 pounds, but many of today’s SUVs and trucks exceed that threshold.

MGS being what I've known as W beam guardrail.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: In Spanish it's called 'quitamiedos', which literally means 'fear remover'. It's not supposed to stop you, just let you drive closer to the edge :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Sounds like a you problem -Car Ceo's

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Guardrails, much like the crumple zones of cars, are designed to give way to dissipate energy. This is a safety feature which saves lives. There isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all-traffic guardrail. It's about statistically improving outcomes, but unfortunately they aren't going to help in all cases. Maybe they need to be updated, but it's going to take time to adjust to changing average vehicle weights.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/guardrailsafety/guardrail101.pdf

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But he noted that in the real world, a guardrail is much more likely to be placed next to a steep [drop-off] than a concrete barrier.

Thankfully it was a test, but there's probably already instances where an over-weight vehicle has smashed through safety devices.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm willing to bet the super tall pickups and SUVs are more likely to hop over those steel guardrails, too. Related: Those sloped concrete dividers that have a slightly shallower slope at their wider bottom? Those are super effective, because that bottom slope deflects the vehicle's front wheel, causing it to turn slightly away from the barrier instead of continuing to smash through it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's called a Jersey barrier.

They have other issues though. They cost more to produce, cost more to install and cost more to maintain. They also accumulate snow, which would otherwise blow through an open W guard rail.

A third option are wire guards. They're cheaper on all accounts, don't get tagged with graffiti and statistically save more lifes. They work best on long straight stretches, but because of the flexibility, they are not ideal for inner city streets where it's best to avoid any lane breaches at all.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Those are called jersey barriers

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a guard rail guy on YouTube who investigates how the guard rails have been fitted. They often have bolts and the tension wire incorrectly installed so much so that they don't even effectively stop small vehicles. That guy lost a family member to this type of accident and so is on a crusade kinda.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

https://m.youtube.com/@TheGuardrailGuy

It's sad because you can hear the frustration in his voice that for the sake of better training lives could be saved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I am contracted to a utility and I get to see just how much time they spend on teaching people about safety. We still see deaths and serious injuries because some people are so lazy they don't give a fuck if they kill someone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

In a better world roads would be closed for cars which exceed the capacity of those guard rails. Just put up a sign, do some enforcement and people will start buying smaller cars when they can't use them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

In an even better world, policies wouldn't be manipulative shitstains aimed at consumers and instead be regulation on those actually creating the thing that needs to change...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Vehicles that weigh more than 4 tons make up a significant amount of road traffic right now.
Literally everything you purchase in a store, your food, your toiletries, your clothes, any consumer good you have every purchased traveled on a road at some point in a vehicle that far exceeds 8 tons. Ambulances weigh more than 8 tons, fire trucks weigh more than 8 tons, mail is transported in vehicles that weigh more than 8 tons.
7,000lbs is an extremely low failure point for a guard rail given the number of vehicles that exceed that weight on the road today.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

It failing against a semi or a firetruck is kind of understandable but....yeah. Ambulances and then the 'smaller' every day vehicles? this shit is unacceptable

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Require a CDL for the big vehicles. Maintain stringent requirements for the CDL.

Do you still want that electric Ram?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Commercial driver's license? I AM TRAVELLING AND NOT ENGAGED IN COMMERCE

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I DEMAND TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE MY 18 WHEELER WHEREVER I PLEASE, HEIGHT CLEARANCES ARE A DEEP STATE PLOT TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDUMB

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

11'8" bridge cares not for your "freedoms"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Oh, that brings back some memories of Reddit

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What would we do about semi trucks, delivery vans, busses, dump trucks, etc. etc. etc. Personally I've seen some pretty short busses but never a sport compact model.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pretty much all of those vehicles require a CDL.

Seems like vehicles over a certain weight requiring a special license classification is a pretty straightforward and reasonable requirement.

But we can't do it without simultaneously addressing mass transit, bikeped, and our general absolute psychological fixation around designing all of our society around cars first and people second.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Actually, you only need a CDL if you're driving it commercially. I could walk out and buy a semi right now and drive it home. This is why you can rent Uhaul trucks and buy bus-sized RVs without a special license.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

I did not know that, but it unfortunately makes sense. You should always be absolutely terrified for your life when you see a uhaul for a reason.

God, it truly is "for non-commercial use only". I hear a chorus of sovcits cheering.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

There are already road signs that limit vehicle weight or restrictions for these vehicles anyway.

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