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A wealthy California woman who co-founded a burn center foundation in the Los Angeles area was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison Monday for the hit-and-run killings of two children while they were in a crosswalk more than three years ago.

Rebecca Grossman was speeding when she struck and killed Mark Iskander, 11, and his brother Jacob, 8, while they were in a crosswalk in the Los Angeles-area city of Westlake Village on Sept. 29, 2020.

“The loss of these two innocent lives has devastated their family and our community. Ms. Grossman’s blatant disregard for human life is a stark reminder of the grave consequences of irresponsible behavior behind the wheel,” Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón said in a statement.

A jury convicted Grossman in February on two counts of second-degree murder, two counts of vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence and one count of hit-and-run driving resulting in death.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I have a lot of questions about this ~~that the article doesn't explain. How fast was she going? Why was she speeding? What was the speed limit on the road? Was alcohol involved?~~ And why isn't my country anywhere near as harsh when it comes to vehicular homicide?

EDIT: an earlier article also linked does explain most of this.

  • 81mph, presumably in an area with a 30mph speed limit
  • Apparently consumed two margaritas according to witnesses even though she was not criminally charged for a DUI. Likely that it was seriously strong tequila and triple sec consumed.
  • Showed zero remorse for the fact she ended lives.
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[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'm impressed that they managed to lock up a rich person for a crime. I'm not going to bother reading the article because I just don't care, but calling her is socialite implies to me that she's old money. I'm not sure whether old money or new money is worse, but both are rich and #eatherich

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cynic in me assumes the victims’ family is richer.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Every once in a while they sacrifice one to show us things are "fair". She probably wasn't super rich either.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I'm just going to start referring to myself as a socialite. Yeah, I'm pretty much a shut-in who only hangs out with his wife and kid, and yeah, I manage a produce section at a grocery store for a living and only pull about 49k gross, but it sure sounds distinguished, eh?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

workers are always preferable to leeches. You do yourself a disfavor by pretending to be haute bourgeoisie.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes the Universe is just.

All you had to do is let you someone drive you home after you got drunk on mimosa's at 10am. Oh well.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It’s the “run” part that did her in.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

As a non American, what does "15 years to life" mean?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Out in 5 for good behavior

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It means they are in prison for at least 15 years and possibly the rest of their life, depending on how things go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Life is considered a 30 year sentence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It varies from state to state. In Virginia a life sentence is 60 years while in Montana it is 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure; usually this language is used when someone is convicted, that the sentence they receive from the judge has to fall in that range. I don't know what "sentenced to 15 years to life" means except that the judge intends that she spend at least 15 years in prison.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I assume it means “minimum 15 years before eligible for parole.”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

That is correct.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Grossman, now 60, was speeding behind a car driven by her then-lover, former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Scott Erickson, when she fatally hit the boys, prosecutors have said.

Who the fuck is this person?

As another commenter noted, she’s just listed as a “socialite”—translating to “unemployed idle person of/from wealthy family”. And on top of being a socialite noted for founding a burn victim charity under her husband’s name, she killed a couple of kids while speeding behind her former MLB playing “lover”?

And the defense she offered was,* “If I had seen them, I would have avoided them”.*

No shit, lady. That doesn’t make you a good person. Her response makes it clear she has never experienced accountability for her shitty actions before.

“Listen, Judge—and you too, jury—if I was looking at all the things I was about to drive over, I would have totally not committed manslaughter. I really think I did a terrific job for how fast I was driving behind my lover. I really am the sort of wonderful person who would continue to drive fast and recklessly in a selfish fashion, and would even consider driving my vehicle into a tree rather than run over little boys (if I could see them) or change my behavior in any discernible way (I’ve never needed to before), or suggest that I am accountable for my actions (LOL). You see, when something bad happens (for me), it really needs to be someone else’s fault, or at least people should agree that whatever happened wasn’t that bad and I must have already suffered enough. Don’t you think I’ve suffered enough? I’ve probably suffered the most throughout this whole ordeal, out of anyone. I’m self-convinced everyone agrees with me and I can assure you that I lack the empathy to understand any other viewpoint. I think we are done here. Have the valet bring my car around, the Diamond Backs are in town and I’m feeling in a southwest sort of mood.”

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I’ve met people who think similarly. For them, “I didn’t mean to” is exculpatory. Now, the ones I’ve known were under 12 years old but I can imagine if people let them get away with that enough that thinking might carry over into adulthood.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ruling will be overturned in an appeal, she will walk, and it won’t make the news cycle.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Haven't heard of this story before. What makes you say that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ever heard of a guy named Bill Cosby?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

That was because the prosecutors were idiots and fucked up majorly.

If there was no situation like that here, it's not going to happen.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Holy shit, I hadn't heard that it was overturned... man...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

She should ask Greg Abbott for a pardon.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank God he can't hand those out in California then :>

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

She should ~~ask~~ pay Greg Abbott for a pardon.

Fixed.

[–] [email protected] 135 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Showing up in the news and being described as a socialite just about guarantees that the person in question is a piece of garbage.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Socialite = "unemployed, but rich"

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think it means "unemployed, rich, woman"

as "unemployed, rich" men tend to get called "entrepeneur"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I don't know... I know some non-rich men who go by entrepreneur as well.

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