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The memes of the climate

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The climate of the memes of the climate!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Okay. I just want to slam on the brakes here, just a little.... Just a little slam.

There's a LOT of personal blame going around in these comments. As if everyone who ever had burned any fossil fuels ever is somehow personally responsible for everything that's currently happening.

Here's some news, we've been burning shit for more than a millennia. People, in and of themselves, don't require so much heat and energy to create a problem. At least not individually. As a whole, small problem. Individually, microscopic problem at most.

Everyone seems to have fallen into this trap of everyone being personally responsible for the climate change. The vast majority of the issue is companies. Everyone wants to point at trucks and delivery vehicles and whatnot as major contributors when they do talk about contributions from companies, and you're still way off base. It's not even the air traffic that's the problem. It's the fucking boats. Nobody thinks about it, because nobody sees it. Either the boats are off at sea, or they're docked in some yard, away from your vision. 90% of the time, they're sailing. When they're sailing, they're operating the motors 24/7. Each ship, when operating, will consume more fuel in an hour than any one person would use in a year.

Since it's mostly unregulated international waters, who are they reporting any of that shit to? So they don't.

Yes. Climate change is real. Yes, we, personally, should be doing what we can to curb it. The fact is, if all of us did everything possible (switching to all renewable power, using EVs and all renewable powered appliances, etc) it would barely make a dent. All of the "personal responsibility" arguments are just a smokescreen from the big, very guilty corporations, to victim blame the public into turning on eachother so they can continue to destroy the environment unchecked. Based on these comments, they're succeeding.

I'm not saying to not be mad. Be mad, get angry. Just be mad at the right people here. I'm not evil because I drive my 1.5L 4cyl sedan to the grocery once a week, and have a natural gas water heater. Sure, I should change that, and I'm sure I will be changing that when I can, but I'm not the problem. The greenhouse gasses I emit over my lifetime won't offset the emissions of transport ships in a single year.

Just.... Be mad at the right people. Stop making people feel bad for being given bad options because the automotive industry actively and knowingly rejected electric vehicles due to how deep they were with the oil industry. So people had to buy internal combustion vehicles because there literally was no other option at the time. I've had my car since 2014. In 2014, the model S (the only model at the time), was $70k USD to start. I didn't have $70k USD to spend on a car (I still don't). I spent less than one-quarter of that price on my vehicle, and I was barely able to afford it over a 5 year finance. Yet, based on these comments, I should be ashamed that I can't afford a BEV? Or that I live too far from everything that I can't ride a bike or something?

Come on people. You know who is really at fault here. Let's just be angry at the right people.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

When you learn about HAARP and you just accept the fact that humans are chit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's a actually a super interesting explanation (and time will tell how accurate that explanation is) regulations from 2020 limited how much sulfur dioxide ships could emit and it turns out the sulfur dioxide was actually creating a slight cooling effect, so now we're experiencing the full brunt of our existing emissions as the world climate rubber bands to where it would have been if ships weren't spewing toxic sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. So presumably this recent trend will stabilize at some point and we'll have our new normal

This is also why geoengineering is so extremely risky. If you ever stop for any reason the climate will rubberband to where it should have been rapidly

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

But doesn't this mean that geoengineering is also effective at giving us extra time? We'd start using safer gases that have the same cooling effect while we try and go carbon negative worldwide

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

God what utter tripe. Past behavior has shown disaster in what sense? How do you fucking predict all of that from this plot. This is how you close credibility for your cause in 140 characters or less

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Yup. Even +5C of warming only has a medium impact on agricultural production rates. This graph is cringe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Just don't look up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There is very little we can do when the primary producers or pollution are oil companies and our leaders are not willing to hold them accountable.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As little as possible. I walk, take public transit or bike when safe and possible instead of driving a car. My partner and I only own 1 car as well since I need it so infrequently.

With that said, the fact that we have created such car dependent cities and towns are the direct result of oil and car companies. So they created an environment that requires people to use a car, so beyond the pollution they generate, they have forced us into a system where we have to create pollution to live. So they are still the ultimate root cause, but nice try

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Great job on limiting your carbon emissions.

I think the argument of who is the "ultimate root cause" is kinda irrelevant at this stage as far as actually saving the planet goes. But when the "the vast majority of carbon emissions come from 10 companies" or whatever factoid gets brought up, usually the context is that individual contributions are meaningless. And that totally isn't true. It would be like smokers saying the tobacco industry is the ultimate root cause for their smoking addiction due to their false propaganda and advertising. Okay, that may well be true... but it's still their responsibility to quit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Ok, stopped going to work and am now fired. I guess I'll starve to death in a few weeks. That should reduce my impact on the climate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Do you try to minimize your reliance on driving a car or do you throw your hands up and claim that other people need to change, not you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I hate going out so I drive less than most people I know. It's basically to work and back and I try to make any other stops for stores and such during that commute. Not sure what more I can do than that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Personal responsibility was an ad campaign created by the oil industry. Every American could reduce their carbon footprint by 90% and we still wouldn't make a dent in the carbon large corporations create.

I still actively reduce my footprint, but no matter what I do, until we hold corporations accountable it doesn't fucking matter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Nah that isn't true though. The biggest emitters are utilities and oil companies. Cut your fossil fuel usage and the rest follows from there.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Are you an Italian actor portraying a stereotypical Native American with a single tear running down your face, being paid by big oil?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

This agenda of personal responsibility is exactly what keeps us from holding the true guilty parties accountable. This is like saying the abuser isn't the abuser, because you can go to therapy or leave any time. But we can't leave any time.

Love,

A work from home vegan.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

What is your objective, to hold people accountable or to save the planet? Saying that individuals are responsible for the majority of climate emissions is not about shifting blame. Oil companies and bad luck (society picked fossil fuels before we really understood climate change) are to blame, but now we have to switch to damage control mode and that falls on individuals (and the government and corporations, but in a democratic free market society those both wrap back around to individuals anyways). It's just the hand that we have been dealt.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Drop everything and do what exactly

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

LSD, K, and maybe some MDMA. At least thats what i would like to do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

You can have all the Ketamine. Please pass some LSD and MDMA this way

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

TBH this is the answer. If govs are willing to sell themselves and all legislature to the highest bidder, then it's time for mass protests, strikes, and molotovs.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The world is burning, start more fires!

Great idea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

It's already on fire. Might as well make sure the right places burn.

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