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'He’s truly lost his mind': Lindsey Graham ripped after calling D-Day a 'failure' on CBS (www.rawstory.com)
submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

God, what a shitty article. The title quote is literally just from some random internet person.

Lindsey Graham supports Ukraine. If you look at anything else he's said on the subject, including the rest of the interview, his stance on it is abundantly clear. Newsweek, for example, covers the remarks while doing the most basic level of journalistic integrity by presenting the context rather than covering a bunch of random social media dunks from randos who don't know what they're talking about.

Graham firmly responded, "No, it represents him and him alone. If you spend 15 minutes studying Putin and what he wants, he wants to recreate the Russian Empire. He's not going to stop in Ukraine. It's not about NATO [North Atlantic Treaty Organization], it's not about American weapons in Ukraine, it's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms."

"If we help Ukraine now, they could become the best business partner we ever dreamed of They're sitting on a goal mine. To give Putin 10-12 trillion that he will share with China is ridiculous."

"There's $300 billion sitting in Europe from Russian sovereign wealth, assets that we should seize and give to Ukraine. We have Russian money in America we should seize. We should make Russia a state sponsor of terrorism under U.S. law. When I suggested that to President Zelensky, he lit up like a Christmas tree. Making Russia a state sponsor of U.S.- state sponsor of terrorism under U.S. law would be a very big blow to Russia."

You're eating your own, libs.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lindsey Graham supports Ukraine

Lindsey Graham doesn't hold a single real position on any issue, other than "what currently benefits me the most?"

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The one time the US waged war against a fascist state that the US didn't help into power in the first place - so of course critters like Graham would consider this an "unnecessary war."

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I canceled my cable subscription a while ago and now I listen to most of my news. Good gracious, he does not even look the same. He looks like he has gained a lot of weight. He doesn’t look well at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not even sure what he was trying to say?

D-day was a failure of appeasement?

D-day was why appeasement failed?

Too many lives were lost on d day to call it “a victory”?

That we should totally go all in on supporting Ukraine? Even with troops?

That Putin’s invasion isn’t about nato? Or that we should leave nato because it’s leading to war?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

The fact that D-day had to happen is a failure on our part because the whole thing could have been stopped much sooner.

Ukraine isn't about NATO expansion or American weapons in Ukraine, it's about a megalomaniac trying to recreate the Russian Empire (implying that we shouldn't wait for another failure and for another D-day to be necessary).

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Imagine saying this 15 or 20 years ago when we still had lots of WWII vets alive. He’d be done.

“All wars are fought twice, the first time on the battlefield, the second time in memory”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think so. My father was in the RAF during the war. Bombed by the Germans and shot at by the Japanese. He is also the reason I'm a pacifist.

His brother-in-law was part of the BEF, that was rescued at Dunkirk.

Neither of them were particularly chatty about the war.

I think that for those that faced the horror of the war, almost all of them would have preferred not to have to endure that brutality. If an earlier intervention with Hitler could have prevented D-Day, I think most veterans of that conflict would be all for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Total opposite experience in my family. Especially the Jewish side.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

If there had been an earlier interdiction, I'm reasonably certain the Nazi's Final Solution would not have come to fruition. Or been stopped far earlier than D-Day. I'm pretty sure Senator Graham's argument is exactly that.

[–] [email protected] 146 points 5 months ago (9 children)

We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the 'unnecessary war, ' described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen chances to stop Hitler. It's not about NATO. It's not about American weapons in Ukraine. It's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms.

Bad choice of words, but this reads to me like we should have acted earlier with Hitler. And we should now with Putin as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean, the guy is just falling over himself to demonstrate his ignorance of the war. British high command had loads of very easy opportunities to kill Hitler but chose not to incase someone who wasn't a speedball addicted, half crazed walking liability took over instead.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The US didn't enter the war until well after the battles at Stalingrad. The reason is, the US was hoping that the Nazis would destroy the USSR. Once it was clear that the USSR was actually winning, the USA and GB swooped in to clean up the Western Front so that the USSR couldn't take credit, despite losing 20 million people to the Nazi invasion.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Yeah that what I'm reading from it as well, I don't know how much I believe the chode, but if he's suggesting we put our foot up putins ass, then I'm all for it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The Neville Chamberlain of our time is Angela Merkel. Her softballing of any and all reactions to the 2014 invasion (more or less the Anschluss of our time) was categorically inexcusable and deeply wrongheaded.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And the continued softballing. Even economically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

For sure. Her ceaseless push for rapprochement with Russia in the face of their incredibly obvious territorial ambitions - not to mention, the fact that she outright ignored and disparaged pretty much all of Eastern Europe’s concerns about Russia (which, by the way, largely turned out to be spot on) was so deeply imbecilic that I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. The history, the signs, and the evidence were all there; she just refused to see it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The Neville Chamberlain of our time is Angela Merkel.

I thought the modern view of Chamberlain had evolved. Chamberlain knew that the UK wasn't prepared for war. If the UK had instead went head to head with the Axis powers in Europe the UK armed forces would have been quickly been overwhelmed. Instead, with the "appeasement" doctrine, it bought time for the UK to prepare to be on the front lines of war, as well as turn up the war machine of USA industry.

I didn't think the old thought that Chamberlain didn't think think Hitler was a threat was still the common idea.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

And the head of the republican party.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even though he says it's not about NATO, he's trying to lay groundwork for anti NATO posturing. Anything that makes it more cozy for pro Putin sentiment his guy is championing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

How? I read it as "What's happening in Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO expansion but is about a megalomaniac trying to recreate the Russian Empire"... Basically, it would have happened even if NATO expansion hadn't.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Wait, he's saying D-Day was a failure of appeasement?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

The way I understand it is that reaching the point where D-Day was necessary shows our failure because it should never have been allowed to happen in the first place.

But I might be too optimistic

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Bad choice of words? Either he’s so far-gone that he doesn’t realize that the second half of what he says contradicts the first half or he’s a master troll, but to so artfully undermine one’s own argument so succinctly is, I dare say, an excellent choice of words.

It’s as if there’s a reasonable person trapped deep down inside of him, struggling to break free, so we get kinda disjointed utterances from him like this occasionally. He used to be very good at being anti-Trump. It’s funny how he is sometimes very bad at being pro Trump.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I could see an argument suggesting we should have intervened long before it got to the point of the D-day beach invasion. Considering waiting that long to be a "failure".

But also dude is a spineless moron so who knows what he intended to say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Soviet soldiers joked opening canned meats the US sent, saying they were opening the second front.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Right. Like, by what he appears to be suggesting, we should have actively joined the war in Europe earlier, instead of just supplying aid and intel to the Allies for so long before committing troops. Like somehow squash Hitler before he got very far.

So it seems like he's advocating for us going to war with Russia immediately.

But in reality, he's a Putin bitch boy, so that's obviously not what he's suggesting.

Edit - Re-reading, I can't come to any other conclusion than he thinks we shouldn't have joined the fight at all. But we joined only when forced by Pearl Harbor, which was a result of our aid to the Allies. And IIRC, the US wasn't really ready to mobilize our military for a campaign in Europe for we did anyway, which is why we were sending aid in the meantime.

So the only logical conclusion I can draw is that he thinks the US should have stayed neutral. That it was out participation that was unnecessary. Particularly when he says we shouldn't be sending Ukraine aid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I don't know how you can read it this way honestly...

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Looks like Lindsey's mouth got ahead of his brains. It's been known to happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Jesus fucking CHRIST

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