Phones still pre-infected with anti-libre software, software we don't control.
When's the last time Tor, OBS, NewPipe or F-Droid abused us, exploited us? Never, they don't fail to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL.
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absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's not that those softwares are noble, they're just decentralized. I will say it's impressive that Tor doesn't have some people pulling the strings trying to take over (but it's probably the NSA right?)
OBS is decentralised? Not the first word I would pick.
is it not open source? That helps to decentralize power though powerful figures can still appear in those spaces too, like (benevolent) Torvalds on the Linux kernel
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It was created by the US military so what do you think lol
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I looked into this before, but I found the options were too stripped down.
Ultimately I need:
- Maps
- Music streaming
- Web browser
- Wallet functionality
Then there are miscellaneous apps that I need as well, some that don’t have browser functionality (local bike rental app) or something like a workout tracker.
Thing is, if you start adding functionality for the above then it’s just a regular smart phone and there’s nothing stopping you using the apps you’re trying to avoid :/
Just uninstall the apps you're trying to avoid
Well yeah but then it's back to the addictive aspect. That's like telling a heroin addict to carry around all the supplies for heroin in his pocket but just don't do heroin. People trying to recover from heroin probably shouldn't keep heroin in their pockets.
It's actually the opposite of that. It's like telling a guy to not carry supplies around in his pocket. Sure, he can always buy more if he wants, but at least that's an extra step.
If you want to reinstall the apps you can but at least they're not readily available
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Except for, you know, not installing the apps on your phone.
Yeah same here. I’ve ditched all social media now except Lemmy and for that I have only a handful of favorite subs I like to read.
But I use my phone for photos, music, email and wallet. Occasionally maps if in a pinch.
For me it's maps and WhatsApp sadly. If I could get out of those, I would go to a dumb phone fairly quickly
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There are screentime apps that can track and limit the useage of certain apps. You can use your bike rental app as long as you want but can set a specific time limit for others like 1 hour on youtube, 30 minutes for lemmy etc.
I used one before and it helped me quantify the time I was wasting and gave me tools to limit my usage.
Without knowing anything about you or your habits, I'm going to offer a counterpoint -
I'd suggest you don't need music streaming, email, or a fitness tracker built into your phone. "Back in the day" we'd have a small collection of tapes / CDs in the car for trips, most (all?) email providers offer decent web apps, and while I agree it's useful to track steps and food intake and such - anymore I'm not sure I trust the makers of these fitness apps to not sell my health data.
Personally, I'm trying to move towards a "dumb phone", but like you I use my phone for a lot more than just social media & I'm finding it very tough. I think a phone with just a decent web browser could do the trick.
It’s 2024, a lot of people haven’t stored music locally for a decade or even longer. You are likely asking them to completely build a music library from scratch. This is no small task and it requires constant attention to keep up to date if you’re into new music.
a lot people haven't stored music locally for a decade or longer
Yeah, digital sales have greatly outpaced physical, but more people are discovering how little control they have over "their" music library.
The alternative to "building a library" is to stick with services that will constantly increase in price & decrease in quality. You have no control over whether your favorite band(s) are available, and no recourse if their catalog disappears for whatever reason. You will be forced to scroll through "suggested content" (ads) regardless of your subscription, and the musicians see depressingly little of the money they make for the service.
"Building a library" can be as simple as buying an album based on a song you enjoyed on the radio. There's no "lock-in", there's no always-increasing monthly bill, and there's no chance of the store saying "uh you can't listen to that anymore". It's dead simple, but certainly not as flexible as streaming.
Side note - I'm absolutely the type of person who would take the time and "re-build" my library, but I acknowledge I'm in a small minority of people, there. I also love shuffling through playlists which is impossible to do with physical media. Until I find a magic answer I'm right here with the rest of you with a streaming service.
You purposely cut off “a lot.” Your comment is completely unnecessary.
I don’t need a lecture in people’s incorrect idea of digital “ownership.”
but I acknowledge I'm in a small minority of people, there.
Then what are you disagreeing with me about?
lol genuinely misread you there, however if you read the rest of the comment that typo makes no difference. I'll correct it
It makes a ton of difference. “A lot“ acknowledges that there are people who do and people who don’t keep music locally. You responded as if I said the former doesn’t exist, which is ridiculous because I run my own home server and manage all the media for my family. The point is not everyone is interested in doing this stuff - you even acknowledged you’re in a minority who enjoys managing their own local media. I don’t get what this is even about anymore. What are we even disagreeing about? What warranted this lecture about how we don’t own media (as if I ever said otherwise)?
It seems like you’re just grinding an ax about something and I don’t quite know why I’m the target. And frankly I don’t now how you could’ve misread it when you even went back to quote it and just cut it off right after the words, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.
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But I want music streaming. I am not going to buy a cd player just so I can listen to music on the train.
Also even if I had a car there is no way I'm buying CDs (or tapes if you can even buy or listen to them anywhere) for everything I want to listen to. That would be prohibitively expensive.
But personally I don't use social media that much. I pretty much only use Lemmy and Reddit and very occasionally Instagram.
Music streaming does not seem at all incompatible with a dumb phone. Maybe you have to go to your desktop for advanced settings, but the basics should work fine.
Also, with their oftentimes crazy physical configurations, and strange yet wonderful assortment of doohickies, dumb phones were way cooler than most smart phones today. But I will burn this shit all down if they dont ALL have USB-C charging going forward.
Yar + MP3’s can live on a lot of dumb phones (just fyi) but I also get this completely. Building a music library from scratch or at least for the first time in years is a big task.
but I want music streaming
Hey, that's fine & I get it - so much easier to shuffle a playlist than figure out which album you won't mind hearing front-to-back again. I'm eyeballing old iPod Classics for that - I've seen folks mod them with sizable drives and better batteries. Dunno that I want to put in the effort, myself, but I love the idea of "upcycling" old tech.
Getting back to my original reply: my main point was you don't need these conveniences, much less having them built into your phone. Yep, music streaming is wonderfully handy & I use it every day, but practically speaking there are other methods.
Getting back to my original reply: my main point was you don't need these conveniences, much less having them built into your phone. Yep, music streaming is wonderfully handy & I use it every day, but practically speaking there are other methods.
True, but I don't need a phone either.
Or well I actually do because of the digital ID we use where I live but apart from that I never really need to talk to anyone.
I have a work phone (iPhone SE) and I do need that one, but I won't install social media on that one anyways even though we are allowed to use it as a personal phone and even transfer our personal mobile number to the company. The only restriction on the work mobile is that no TikTok is allowed. A lot of the employees do use the work phone that way, but I refuse.
I would miss the camera the most
I do have a nice camera but it’s a lot to carry around
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Social media? My phone is in my hand all day so I can play Word Cookies.
And you can have my Word Cookies app when you pry it from my cold, dead... um... cloud backup?
The 35k comments in 11 months says otherwise.
You mean the comments I make while sitting at a computer? The comments I make because I am seriously ill and not working and have very low energy and thus are not able to do much else?
Sorry my wanting to have the small amount of human contact I have outside my own family on a daily basis is so offensive to you.
Didn't say it was offensive. Just pointing out that you are, in fact, using a lot of social media.
Message boards are not social media no matter what the revisionists say. They are wrong.
no one thinks you said it was offensive, but you sure were flippant/“gotcha“ about it.
OP absolutely thought so. Their exact words were "Sorry my wanting to have the small amount of human contact I have outside my own family on a daily basis is so offensive to you.".
That's not even what I was implying. I don't care how much someone uses social media. I saw a comment on a social media platform about not using social media and couldn't help but roll my eyes. Then I clicked their profile and saw that they're averaging more than 100 comments a day for almost a year.
Was it flippant? Absolutely. Was it a gotcha moment? Maybe, but only in the sense that I was planning on pointing out the hypocrisy in implying they don't use social media on a social media platform, and instead found the exact kind of social media addict that the article describes
You should probably rethink how you communicate if you have to write all of this just to try and prove you were not being rude/kind of a jerk.
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