this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2024
40 points (81.2% liked)

Asklemmy

43714 readers
1433 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy πŸ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I regret buying a guitar, I can't even do the simplest shit on it according to YouTube... I dunno if it's laziness or just being tired of sucking so much and not being able to play the music that I like... Maybe a mix of both?

(page 2) 17 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The most important part about learning a musical instrument is consistent practice.

1 hour twice per week is not as good as 20 minutes every single day. And you do have to play every day if you want to improve. Work on one thing at a time and most importantly: use a metronome.

Guitar is a meditation exercise: you have to learn to love the process. If you aren't having fun, maybe it just isn't for you.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

The distance from picking up the guitar to being able to play music is so far that most people give up before making it through. Building muscle memory and being able to finger those chords without fat fingering the other strings takes longer than you expect. You're talking about trying to play a song when really you probably need a month on the open chords.

If you are over it then no shame in moving on. If you want to take one more crack at it you'll have to slow down and just hyper focus on the basics. Or try ukulele! Ukulele is awesome because the cords are a lot easier and you'll become a strumming master since you won't be concentrating so hard on the chords. And then later down the line it would give you a good foundation if you take a crack at guitar again

In my opinion there is no such thing as natural talent. There is only practice and muscle memory. Once you're up and running with robotic hands (Being able to play the chords without thinking about them, being able to strum a few patterns without thinking about them) It opens up the whole world of music and songs

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For me, it was an inability to only finger strings properly, even after about six months of practice. My hands, even back in my teens, were huge. That includes big fingers (size 14 ring at the time)

Since I didn't have the freedom to try other instruments in a useful way, I just decided I had better things to do with my time than fuck around making dissonant sounds on a guitar.

But, before you give up entirely, maybe try learning a simple song all the way. That was what actually made my decision. I knew what it was supposed to sound like, knew where my fingers were vs how the strings were supposed to be used, and knew I'd never make the music that drove me to want to try in the first place.

If you can manage to learn one song and play it to the point you can tell what you're playing, I say keep going. From that point, it's a matter of practice and figuring out what lessons work for you.

But it is a learning curve that kills a lot of potential players of any instruments. I hang with an old high school friend that fronts a band. I've had this conversation with him (and he reached the same conclusion I did after teaching me a little on both tenor and bass guitar, that I might so something, but it wouldn't be what I wanted) about getting past that wall.

He said that in person lessons are the best way to get past the initial "what the fuck is going on" stage where nothing seems to work. A lot of people pick up a book, or watch videos and try to get going. But those methods don't work for everyone. So you kinda need someone that can give active feedback on all the little things that go into learning your first song.

And that's what he says the goal should be; you pick a simple song, learn it, and then improve on it. Takes a few weeks for a lot of people to get something like amazing grace or Mary had a little lamb down to the point that it sounds right. But you have to start simple because you've got to get your hands used to the job. It can take a thousand plus repetitions of a given action to commit it to memory in a way it becomes fluid and natural (which is a thing in martial arts, btw, you have drill the hell out of a technique before you can spar with it).

But it's also okay to give up. It's your time, your energy. If you've discovered that the return on that isn't fast enough to give you what you want/need, why waste part of your life banging against the wall? Sometimes a learning curve isn't worth climbing.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

On person guitar lessons are expensive. I don't wanna waste more money in something that isn't going to last with me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Nothing wrong with that :)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I believe there are 3 kinds of musicians. Keep in mind I have no evidence for this, it’s just what I’ve experienced through a life of playing music and being around lots of musicians.

#1 is someone with natural ability, these are the people who seem to be able to pick up any instrument and intuitively understand how to make it sound like music. This is the rarest kind of musician.

#2 is someone with a little bit of #1’s natural ability, but like 70% of their skill comes from honing it through sustained, long-term practice. It’s hard, and can be incredibly frustrating, but also very rewarding. I’d say many if not most successful musicians fall into this category.

#3 is someone with none of #1’s natural ability, but a passionate desire to learn. With grueling long hours of practicing the basics, studying some theory, and intentional instruction, #3 is perfectly capable of playing an instrument beautifully, but it will be a lot more work for them than it would be for #’s 1 and 2.

It’s probably pretty similar to sports. Some people are naturals, but almost anyone can learn to be really good at them, it just takes a shitload of work.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Then I'm in #4 you just suck at it

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'm a #4 then. The one who knows all the theory but don't care about practicing. I can play a lot of different instruments badly.

Now this is not necessarily a bad role, because if you want to perform live it's absolutely necessary to simplify things in order to ensure that you can actually deliver something and not get thrown off by imperfections or getting bored with certain parts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

It's probably pretty similar to sports. Some people are naturals, but almost anyone can learn to be really good at them, it just takes a shitload of work.

Being a natural at something is being good at pattern recognition, whether it is music, sports, cooking, writing, or pretty much anything prople can be good at. While the vast majority of people can get good at things through practice, there are people on the opposite end from the people where it comes naturally that won't be able to do better than a beginnger even with a lot of practice.

There are the equivalents of being tone deaf for pretty much everything humans do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

There are people who have natural ability at every instrument, but it's much more common for it to be with one or two types of instruments. Them a little (enjoyable) practice will get them to whatever level of mastery they're happy with. They can be totally hopeless at other instruments, and average at others. The ones that will blow your mind are those who are total naturals at one, but choose to pursue an instrument they have no natural ability at.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Guitar is the only hobby I acquired that never took. I wanted it to take, but did not have the funds to pursue lessons.

I could not get over the beginner hurdles of how to strum, how to really hold the pick, and so forth. If I could have taken lessons or gotten past that I might have learned and still be playing today instead of seeing the case just sitting there collecting dust.

load more comments
view more: β€Ή prev next β€Ί