Would be nice if he courted the existing left leaning part of the democratic party, but fuck it let's try and please the party that tried to overthrow the government
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And this is the game we always play. Biden will try to get enough conservative voters to overcome the resistance from the actual left. If he manages then we go further right like we always have and if he fails we go even further right like we always have. That's the great thing about Democrat presidents. They accomplish the same thing as Republican presidents. Just a little bit slower.
There's nothing that I can say to disprove those points. I do have to say that Bernie gaining as much popularity as he did let's me see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm pushing 40, always been very left. 1st primary I voted for Dennis Kucinich. Seeing someone with the same talking points and advocate for, generally, the same overall policy agenda get as much mainstream traction as Bernie has does inspire some optimism. Voter turnout in the primaries is so huge, I would also like to see the Dems ditch the EC model for their primaries as well. Biden got elected on the backs of Southern black votes (holdover good will from him being Obamas VP) and that caused him to win deep red states that he would never win in the general. Though I'm hoping Georgia turning blue wasn't an anomaly.
The left wing is gonna vote for him anyway, if they vote at all. Half of the leftists I talk to don’t even vote because they say democracy is a failure and nothing matters. To a liberal, a leftist is an extremist.
So it would make sense to show them democracy isn't dead and inspire them to vote? Or just cuddle up with fascists? This just shows those disenfranchised voters it is dead and what's the point since biden would rather work with people actively trying to destroy democracy than work with the new largest voting bloc in this country
I don’t think he’s trying to “cuddle up with fascists”. The fascists don’t represent the entire party just as progressives don’t represent the entire democrat party. He’s trying to get the uneducated “always vote for the guy with the R next to his name” type dudes. They exist, plenty of ignorant people out there.
I guess they do, it's just hard to imagine that someone could be that ignorant in this day and age and I still think it's a dumb move because those people that just blankly go through life and just vote R because that's what pappy always did are so dumb they will just vote R no matter what biden does so bidens time is better spent working with progressives, he can do both but the dnc has made it very clear they do not care about progressives
Biden and the DNC have made concessions for progressives too. I celebrate those victories because if I don’t I start to lose hope.
https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-workers-rights-back/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
The last link contains the White House’s own stance on the issues. It’s good to see their takes and then fact check them.
I know he’s not nearly good enough. I hate that we had to compromise. But we have to keep our eyes on the prize and take our wins where we can.
Solidarity forever.
I got really lucky and hit by a car 5 years ago that let me buy a condo that has doubled in value. This leftist is going to call it a day. I'm looking at places maybe in Uruguay to move to hopefully before November. I don't know who to blame but I do know the Democrats and the Republicans are both not anything I ever want to support. And sure give me a party of Democrats that is built from politicians like Bernie Sanders or AOC, and I'll happily vote Democrat but that's a fantasy. The Democrats themselves are far right enough that they hate those candidates and their positions.
Have fun fleeing the country I guess!
Well, let's think about that. In 2023, only 27% of Americans identified as Democrats. This matched the number of people who identified as Republicans, while a massive 43% picked 'independent' as the party of choice. However, when you ask voters what political ideology they identify with, you get a more interesting numbers. 29% of people describe themselves as Socially Liberal or Very Liberal, and only 21% describe themselves as Fiscally Liberal or Very Liberal. This means that 71% of people do not see themselves as Socially Liberal in any way (and 38% see themselves as Socially Conservative to some degree!), and a stunning 79% do not see themselves as Fiscally Liberal in any way (with 44% seeing themselves as Fiscally Conservative to some degree!). So, is there some amount of wonder that Biden might try to tact in the direction where the majority of Americans are?
44% of Americans lean in the direction of Fiscal Conservatism, and another 35% don't see themselves as Conservative, but also don't see themselves as Liberal. Biden's got to reach out to this group of people, because he can't win with 21% of the vote. So instead of bitching at him, maybe motivate more of that 79% who are Fiscally Moderate or Conservative but possibly Socially Liberal to embrace your policies, while turning out reliably for the leftest main stream party candidate between the Rs and the Ds until you can get RCV passed, then make sure to get your people to rank people from the left to the centre and not rank the right-wing candidates.
You are doing some hard work for a Gallup poll that only represents people who have a landline or answer unknown numbers so basically absolutely worth nothing
Biden posturing as a Republican will not make Republicans vote for him.
Adopting rightwing policies ‘does not help centre-left win votes’
But it will help shift the general public more to the right and get neoliberals bending over backwards to start defending Republican policies when Biden implements them so all according to keikaku.
I think Republicans are finally waking up to the fact their party has been hijacked by MAGA and their own interests don't align with Trump's personal interests.
I still can't believe how willing they are to parrot Russian propaganda though given how things were a mere 20 years ago.
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