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[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Hi I’m new here. My friend has been trying to get me in for ages. The reason I am here is because my Reddit account of 10 years and one of 3 years got permabanned. And it was really for no reason. I tried to make a new account and that also got instantly permabanned. That’s when I found out that my 10year account also got banned. So yeah fuck what happened on Reddit.

I’m really liking lemmy and my iOS app (mlem) and enjoying the community. The only thing I miss from Reddit is the video integration.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I think we are now in a positive cycle:

  • More and more useful comments are posted,
  • Which means more people get interested,
  • which attracts more and more people to the platform
  • That increases the quality and quantity of posts/comments/etc.
  • etc.
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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago

Lemmy will achieve infinite growth. Invest now.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I converted 3 friends. I'm doing my part.gif

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What’s a “green server”?

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I think more people are coming here for my comments and delusions of grandeur.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

I mostly joined because of you so, seems very probable

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

Yeah I only joined when I saw you had

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

That's why I'm here

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

It is summer time. Students can now browse the internet more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

There's an adage about fixating on popularity as a measure of worth.

[–] [email protected] 154 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I think it's much less intimidating to new users now compared to when I joined last year. The barrier to entry has been reduced significantly.

There are tons of active communities now, mobile apps that work great (this is a big one), and many more tools to block content that you don't want to see.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

there is also more diverse content than the crap that was on here six months ago.

when 50% of the frontpage is linux memes... you're not going to gain the interest of most new users. now it seems to be down to about 20%

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I still have no clue how instances work but whatever I'm doing has been working fine for nearly a year

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

instances are just distinct servers really.

and some of them are purpose/politics specific.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

From an end user perspective there's not that much to think about, thankfully.

Basically, it's like having two websites that mirror each other's content. You can sign up for Forum A and be able to read and write posts that users on Forum B can also see. People's names are tagged with the name of the forum they are registered at, but otherwise everything you do and see happens on your own site of choice and there's no difference where it comes from.

If Forum A doesn't like Forum C, but Forum B doesn't mind, Forum A can choose to disconnect from Forum C and hide their users and posts, while Forum B can still see both. It only gets tricky when someone from Forum B makes a post that people from both Forums A and C are in, but all of the posts from C users are invisible to A users.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People have to be willing to give things a try, so I think it will definitely grow. I was never a Reddit user, I tried this on a whim, just to try and have conversations with different people. The one good thing is that there are many functional apps, and you will only see things you are interested in, and when you don't, you down vote it.

But ultimately it's still the same echo chamber that all social media is, but without ads.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All social media, and irl too, has biases. As we do ofc - e.g. we linux Linux, especially Arch btw:-P - but it seems to me that the Fediverse is fundamentally different, b/c of the nature of consent.

On Facebook, YouTube, Twitter/X, and Reddit now that it is acting more like the former, ThE aLgOrItHm makes choices for you, whereas here if you want to create an echo chamber, you have to put in a LOT of effort to ensure that you are never exposed to anything that you would disagree with.

For one thing, you would have to subscribe to communities first, and those would have to have enough content to hold your interest, which means a continual search for more of such communities. Scrolling through the All feed would absolutely be prohibited if you wanted to make an echo chamber for yourself.

Again, literally every social media platform has biases, but here those do not rise to the level of "echo chamber", imho? I do concede that it is not entirely unlike one of those, and yet on the spectrum, aren't we far less than most other common platforms?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think it's really easy to make an echo chamber here, make a community and only follow said community? I enjoy Lemmy, because look,we are having legitimate conversations, but some posts I have come across - it's like no conversation, just putting down an opposite point of view.

Me personally, I do my best to try and avoid the political stuff, but even that is difficult at times.

But yes, subscribe to the communities and if the content is there, great, if not, make some or help promote it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Okay so it is theoretically possible but is it plausible that this could be a common use-case?

Anyway, you said "it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is" - and that statement goes far beyond using the Fediverse as an echo chamber to say that it is that way for everyone (further implication: all the time). i.e. the most command-language interpretation of your words would be that they meant that that tiny little theoretical possibility is what this place is, therefore I wanted to point out that there is so much more to consider, e.g. there are other ways to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't downvote stuff just because you're not interested in it! There's no algorithm you're training, you're just being rude to people.

Downvotes should be for worthless content and people being dicks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I agree - no algorithm - but if someone is posting 💩 then it's 💩 they get. Hey if I post 💩 I would fully expect that. Lol

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I run many small communities and it kills me when people from “all” downvote stuff.

If you don’t care about the topic, block the community or skip the posts

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Correct. If you don't like the content in the community, then why be there? Just join things that interest you, no need to be a 💩

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?

Total users doesn't concern me too badly, as I'm more happy to see daily post and comment counts going up. I feel activity needs to be our focus rather than headcount. A packed stadium is kinda pointless if nobody is on stage putting on the show! 😁

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully it's real growth and not just "that guy" creating troll accounts, getting banned, and creating new accounts.

Or this guy: https://thelemmy.club/post/12652265

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Activity seems to be up, not just users. It’s also active users, not just accounts

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Lol I was thinking of this one when I saw the thread title. Still, I don't see a way to filter those out

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'll never stop complaining about Y axis that don't start at zero.

If that means the change isn't noticable, then the change isn't noticable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

And pie charts with more than 3 segments

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah when I showed the cop the graph of my speed before getting in my car to be 67000mph (speed of the earth around the sun) to 67080mphwhen I was driving it he couldn't see the difference so I didn't get the ticket.

Or sometimes choosing a common-sense reference makes sense.

Which isn't to say THIS one does, it doesn't, but the absolutism of "it's nerf or nothing" is a tad extreme.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Well, it does make sense, doesn't it?

What we're interested in is not the number of users, but the trends: whether the number is increasing or decreasing over time. Starting the axis at 0 would not be useful in this regard, as the trend would be almost completely obscured.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For something like that, you need a special graph, and I forget the name because no one uses it.

Y axis is "percent growth" and the X axis isn't at the bottom, it's in the middle.

Like, the only way I can describe it is a line graph because it technically is, but there's some name done it.

Capitalism doesn't like it tho, because there's "red numbers" and red numbers scare investors

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If the goal is to visualize growth trends, I don't think raw user counts are the correct value to track on the Y-axis at all. That's where my head was at when I said it doesn't make sense. Abusing the Y-axis to try and coax data out in this case is just a symptom of having the wrong measure.

Daily new users. Percent user growth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

There is visible growth in posts and comments, which is good. However, I've also started seeing spam posts.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

I'll never stop complaining ~~about Y axis that don't start at zero.~~

~~If that means the change isn't noticable, then the change isn't noticable.~~

[–] [email protected] 115 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Did Reddit do something stupid to scare people away again?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The cracked apps using personal API keys stopped working a few days ago. Already fixed now I think.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yep. That's why I'm here again. My reddit app may work for now, but the writing is on the wall in bigger, bolder letters.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

reddit is about the same in my opintion, but I do see a lot more activity on the lemmy side. I think its a combination of:

  1. Less rules around communities. The barrier of entry is much lower here to post, and things dont get auto-removed because of trigger happy mods.
  2. 2% of users post 90% of content. And a lot of them moved over to lemmy.
  3. Servers can be brought into existence and removed at will. This may seem like a bad thing, but what it means is that the best lemmy servers can evolve and be successful in a way reddit cant. Some have different modifications to make them more user friendly, some have excellent uptime, etc...etc...
  4. People from mastodon/misskey/other fediverse instances can comment/post. Even if that is not what a vast majority of us do, it does help the numbers and will continue to help engagement.

Also to @[email protected] Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They actually did, for a few days no 3rd party apps worked at all. But now they do again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I thought all third party apps already stopped working?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Have you heard of ReVanced? Most commonly known for patching youtube to allow more features, mainly adblocking. Well they have patches for a ton of apps now so if you have a reddit account and say you're a developer you get your own API key they can be injected into some apps. It didn't work for me for a while but I eventually got it to work for the random search result from reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

They were working around it by using personal API keys iirc.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

AFAIK they didn't. This time we have natural growth

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bots in the build up to the election here in the states?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

EU also has elections on Sunday.

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