I can survive in 9c but 100c will kill me.
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yhea 9° is still shorts and t-shirts weather for me.
This, exactly lol
If you actually live in those temp ranges, you're fucked either way. Modern technology is what makes those ranges bearable.
That being said, I can bundle up pretty easy compared to mitigating heat.
Single digits for sure. I'll be okay from -9 to +9, but I don't really see a solution to a 999°F heatwave
Yeah I live in Canada so -9C is no big deal at all lol. and +9C is basically summer so
Assuming modern technology didn't suddenly disappear, I would pick the cold without a doubt. Give me a good sized greenhouse attached to my home for growing my garden and I would be happy as a lamb. I hate summer, and the heat that comes with it. While 9F is colder than I typically prefer for outdoor activities (I generally like it right around 40F) I can make clothing and gear adjustments to continue outdoor hobbies like hiking and backpacking. If it was perpetually colder here I would probably take up a snow sport too. (Currently it's not snowy enough where I live for snow sports). Also if it's that cold I would never have to deal with bugs again and I am 100% here for that.
As it currently is I'm basically stuck inside for 3 months of the year due to heat unless I want to drive 8 or more hours for a brief holiday respite. Summer is the worst. Give me arctic cold please.
I was voting cold before but I didn't even think about the bugs. 1000% team cold now lol.
Right? I will happily deal with the cold to make mosquitoes, gnats and ticks a problem I no longer have.
@ephrin Well, assuming I still had access to mitigation strategies, like well designed housing etc, I'd choose permanent 38C (100F) over permanent -13C.
Sure, modern tech is available. Both of these theoretical would be pretty intolerable without them.
I'd take single digit temperatures over 80+ even, let alone 100+, that's insane, I'm northern born so I start melting around 80, I would die at 100. Hell I'd take double digit negative temperatures only over triple digits
I've lived in both. The generally colder environments with high humidity are worse than adding 10-15° and having low humidity.
When I was a kid we once had a snow storm so bad it took out the entire (small) town's power. People huddled up in the mayor's house because he had a working genny. When the adults had to go out they had to wear goggles or your eyes would start freezing in your skull. Yaaaa Minnesota
Not even a choice.
If you choose over 100F you will see electronics failing more often, working harder, less efficient, working badly, etc because the heat is causing them to throttle in various ways. In the modern world it is far, far easier to heat up a space with a house full of electronics and humans than it is to keep it cool. The energy required to raise the temperature from say 5 degrees F to a more comfortable 40 degrees (35 degree change) pales in comparison to the energy required to keep yourself and your devices cool a mere 10-15 degrees less to around 90 degrees which is still uncomfortably hot and sweaty.
I'll note that a constant 100 degrees is more than hot enough to cause various foods, medications, substances to break down and go bad. Check your medicine cabinet, most of your pills including over the counter are only rated for storage at up to 86 degrees. Your medicine will lose efficiency or go bad in some, perhaps many cases. Your food outside your fridge will spoil more quickly, mold and bacteria will grow more quickly and readily. Your fridge itself will work harder and die sooner.
The tap water will run hot or warm most of the time meaning a shower won't necessarily cool you off much.
The colder temperatures are cheaper all costs considered, feel better, can be negated at a moment's notice with socks, a jacket, and a blanket.
It's easy to insulate a home against extreme cold and just retain heat you generate inside including by your body and devices. It requires a lot more effort to keep the inside cold when both the outside and things inside are generating heat and trying to warm it up.
This is a reason why climate change is a nightmare not just for human comfort but on so many levels. Our electronics are going to operate less efficiently in a warmer world and draw more power to do so.
The electronics is something I hadn’t even considered.
I live in a spot where temps range between 19-39 degrees in the daytime, swinging from dry to humid every now and again.
I'll take 1-9 C all day, every day. Despite living here my entire life, temps above 25 are uncomfortable for me. I've discovered that temps between 5 and 14 degrees for me are ideal.
I was thinking single digits in “freedom degrees,” which is -13°. Same answer?
Haven't ever been under 0, so while I am partial to cold weather, I cannot offer an answer beyond a guess, that I might be more comfortable still at -13 than at 40, considering I'd just need to put a couple more layers on.
I can layer up if its cold, windy, and rainy. Walking helps move blood around and warm up. You can't escape heat unless you got AC on, or continuously splash water around your body and sit in front of a fan. Even then, if its hot and moist, that won't help (wet bulb).
Arid, or humid?
It makes all the difference at higher temperatures. 100°F in Nevada or New Mexico is NOT the same thing as 100°F in Florida or Tennessee.
Let’s say half the year humid, half not.
Then I’d do it.
All year humid, hell no. But a 6-mo break is ok.
Day to day, I'd take a dry 100 degrees. My problem is a like to do cardio exercise outside, like run and bike. 100 degrees makes that significantly more difficult and dangerous. We've had upper 90s and high humidity the last couple of weeks and it's been tough to do anything more than about 20 minutes at a time.
On the other hand, I love to snowboard, which can't happen in triple digits. Snow and ice depending, biking and running are doable at single digit temps. I hate walking outside and feeling pain from the cold temps.
I'd probably take the triple digits and travel for cold vacations.
I also love to snowboard, so it would suck to give up cold temps completely.
I don’t know how much that is in normal degrees and I’m too lazy to check but I generally prefer cold. Heating up is much easier (if you’re privileged enough). You don’t have to shower every single day, you don’t need to drink as much. Its a bit of a hassle every time to go outside with all the extra clothes, my electric car is less efficient and opening windows to let fresh air in is unpleasant. But that’s a small price to pay.
Hot is just always shit.
Ever since I had a heat exhaustion event in my late teens, I have been exceedingly sensitive to heat. Think actively sweating like I’m in a sauna - only in normal office temperatures. I have to shave my head for nearly half the year in order to not look like a drowned rat - and carry a “sweat towel” with me at all times to wipe the dripping sweat off a half dozen times an hour.
My home office is set to between 15℃ and 18℃ because that is the temperature where I feel the same amount of comfort as most other people do between 24℃ and 28℃. Throw a business suit into the mix, and that comfort range drops by 4-6℃.
There are times in the winter where I throw all the office windows open, let the -20℃ air roll in from outside, and actually enjoy wearing long pants and a sweater.
…I live in Canada. Near where it hit 50℃ during the heat dome a few years ago. Climate Change is going to be brutal for me.
I went through this in my middle teens. It took 10 or 20 years to go away.
Yeah, my heat exhaustion event was a quarter century ago. It’s just gotten worse and worse over the years.
That is just brutal.
So… triple digits then?
I'm pretty sure triple digit temperatures would result in death.
not if it's in kelvin
Depend on the exact digits, 100 or 999 kelvins sure would.
Imagine you are one if the only countries that use Fahrenheit and just assume that everyone knows what you are talking about when you say degrees without a unit is the essence of american personality
Imagine not understanding that single digits == cold and triple digits== hot. It's funny how everyone else seemed to figure it out.
Let's use our child brain for a minute so hopefully I can help you understand this. Let's assume that the initial post was in celcius. Single digits is cool and livable. What about triple digits? Do you think that living at triple digits celcius is even a viable option? Did you really need someone to identify the unit of measure for you to understand the question?
Your pedantry makes you look like an idiot that has no critical thinking ability.
Well I stated that it is about Fahrenheit, so I seem to have understood what it's about
Does nobody actually read the actual post any more before commenting?
Your original post doesn't say Fahrenheit anywhere though. I mean, I'm a USian so I knew what you meant by "freedom degrees" but I don't think it's fair to act like everyone in the world who might see this post would know that phrase means Fahrenheit.
I mean… I guess? I just figured any English speaker, when presented with “freedom degrees” versus “sane parts of the world” would get it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I might actually prefer winter all year if it wasn't for that pesky "growing food" thing.
Single digit. It's easier to warm up than cool down, and I can't stand hot weather. I'm also fairly used to freezing temps.