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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 163 points 1 year ago (10 children)

That chart is evil. First two ticks represent 5 years. Ticks 2-3 represent 2 years. The last two ticks represent 2 1/2-3 years!

Also, what's so magical about 2014 that it deserves to be the baseline? I'd love to see this extended back to, oh, 2006 or so. Sometime before the Great Recession.

Finally, what about shrinkflation? I used to order from Panera on a regular basis, but during the pandemic, it seemed like their sandwiches shrank a little bit more between every order. At this point, I don't think it's even worth ordering from them.

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[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Oh wow, it's almost as if allowing the 0.001 to try and accumulate infinite wealth is a bad idea. Who could've guessed?

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Could under reporting of real inflation that consumers feel be a factor here?

I’m sure these companies are exploiting consumers, but I’ve also been suspicious of the reported inflation numbers. It feels a lot higher than that and actually it could be more in line with the companies in the graph.

Maybe it’s not the fast food prices that are high but the inflation number that is too low.

[–] Bezzelbob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's a valid concern and I was wondering the same thing, but as of now, unless something leaks saying that they where lying, this is all we have to go on

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And maybe it's both

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[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm pretty sure the McDonald's one is false, which makes me think all of the others are too. This is a bad faith argument. I'm assuming this is going around TikTok and that's why so many braindead people keep repeating it

[–] ares35@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

10 years, double the prices? ain't that far off.

at our mcd, at least that much for many, if not most, things on their menu. everything i (used to) buy there, anyway. and way more than that for the former 'dollar menu' items. beverages the least affected, although it's now probably double, too (the large cup shrunk on top of the ~ 90% increase since then).

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Shrinking cups is actually a good thing. Nobody needs that much sugar, and the cost of the syrup is pennies compared to the cost of the cup itself. They are also mostly plastic now. Normalizing smaller beverages is good for humans.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, look at the x axis labels. 5 years, 2 years, and 3 years. WTF?

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Ha, I came here to say that, too.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not saying it's right, but the spacing makes the drastic changes in 19-21 less obvious by spreading them across a wider area. Same with 21-24, just less so.

A consistently spaced graph would probably be more drastic looking.

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[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have found the article here: https://financebuzz.com/fast-food-prices-vs-inflation

At work so I can’t read it atm, but I’m interested to hear your conclusion later

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I found this article yesterday, from none other than Fox (who I would think would lean into this narrative): https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/mcdonalds-pushes-back-hefty-price-hikes-including-18-big-mac-meal

According to the McDonald's CEO, the $18 Big Mac (which is where this number comes from) was 1 location, and the average price of a Big Mac is up 21% since 2019 (less than inflation). So I think all of these numbers in your article are cherry picked or just made up

[–] heyitsmikey128@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm definitely weary of posts like this with no data backup. Also what is "actual inflation"? Wouldn't that be like average inflation across all goods? Doesn't inflation affect certain markets differently?

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I'm also tired of posts like this.

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[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m surprised the two lowest ones are Subway and Starbucks. Where’s the $5 foot long? And I guess Starbucks has always been expensive so $6 for a coffee isn’t much of an increase from what it was.

[–] Bezzelbob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I was surprised too, but then I found this vvv. This people are making 25 billion profit which now makes sense for the comparatively low percentage

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit

  • Starbucks gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $5.914B, a 0.06% decline year-over-year.
  • Starbucks gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $25.104B, a 8.86% increase year-over-year.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2023 was $24.567B, a 12.01% increase from 2022.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2022 was $21.933B, a 7.93% increase from 2021.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2021 was $20.322B, a 28.43% increase from 2020.
[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

i remember when starbucks first opened, dunkin donuts was selling plain black coffee for 10 cents a cup.

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The $5 footlong hasn't existed for years (honestly maybe a decade) at this point. It's like a $10 footlong now.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does every thread have to include a reminder of how old I am? I remember living life $5 at a time.

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yup, me too. I used to be able to get lunch for a week with $20 back in high school in the mid-late 2000's. Almost everywhere had a dollar menu where you could get a pretty decent meal for a few bucks. Over time the portions got smaller and more expensive though to the point where you can't really do that anymore.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Geez what happened in 2020 ... Oh right.

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[–] Dubiousx99@lemmy.world 149 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ooooh, now plot the avg wage across this period. Y=min wage.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

It's the black line on the bottom

[–] Bezzelbob@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This companies are able to generate billions in profit every quarter, let alone every year. They have also been reporting record breaking profits quarter after quarter for the past several years. I'm pretty sure the 17 y/o Burger flippers aren't the problem here.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/gross-profit

  • McDonald's gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $3.439B, a 3.77% increase year-over-year.
  • McDonald's gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $14.688B, a 9.03% increase year-over-year.
  • McDonald's annual gross profit for 2023 was $14.563B, a 10.26% increase from 2022.
  • McDonald's annual gross profit for 2022 was $13.207B, a 4.98% increase from 2021.
  • McDonald's annual gross profit for 2021 was $12.58B, a 29% increase from 2020.

[1]Average franchise profitability at Burger King rose nearly +50% last year (2023) compared to 2022

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit

  • Starbucks gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $5.914B, a 0.06% decline year-over-year.
  • Starbucks gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $25.104B, a 8.86% increase year-over-year.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2023 was $24.567B, a 12.01% increase from 2022.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2022 was $21.933B, a 7.93% increase from 2021.
  • Starbucks annual gross profit for 2021 was $20.322B, a 28.43% increase from 2020.
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wonder how da fuq did McDonalds think that this is okay?

Setting aside all considerations of ethics or morality, from a pure greed standpoint even a very naive person could realize that if you squeeze the sheeple too much they may choose to go elsewhere rather than continue to rely on you for easy comfort food.

Do they think they have a monopoly on the market? Even just from the fast-food burger places that were included in this graphic, there are multiple cheaper options - Burger King and Wendy's - plus Arby's & Taco Bell and Chick-fil-a are somewhat similar.

Do they think that people will suddenly not care about where their money is going? That strategy tends to work when you squeeze (bleed) them slowly, but this kind of a sudden spike carries the risk of waking them up to how much eating there is costing them - and once they are gone, it would be very hard to attract them back.

So this strategy even looks to be detrimental to the company of McDonalds, even if good for the short-term stockholders & CEO before they jump elsewhere.

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[–] Archelon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Actually, this graph does display the % average wage increase!

It’s the line where the x axis is.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was talking with a coworker the other day and they were talking about how raising minimum wage causes inflation because businesses will raise prices to offset to rise in labor costs. I asked if he thought inflation had gotten bad in the past 5ish years in particular. He said of course. I said well federal minimum wage hasn't risen since 2009, which was 15 years ago, so it sounds like inflation is gonna happen regardless of wages and is based on the capitalistic goal of infinite growth, so maybe we should raise minimum wage so lower income people have a shot at affording basic necessities.

He just said no, then inflation just would've been worse. It's maddening.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To be fair states, and even cities have their own minimum wage too, and those have gone up. Federal minimum wage is just the base line.

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[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think there's 2 ways to think through this. Way 1: Magically the minimum wage is increased, and everything about the legislators stays the same.

This would increase inflation, as what's causing inflation is the lack of legislation and enforcement. Thus allowing companies to raise prices and profits unchecked.

Way 2: The legislators change in such a way that it's logical and possible to raise the minimum wage. Also logically other legislation would be passed to reduce the unchecked greed.

This would not increase inflation on it's own, and likely would keep it to a healthy minimum.

I think most who complain about the minimum wage talks can only imagine the first way.

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[–] applepie@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Pathetic bootlicker won't accept the facts when they hurt his master...

Are we supposed treat these people as adults?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The response to this is that inflation is a market force working against the downward pressure of demand. There is a limit to the amount prices can go up before people stop buying altogether.

Another inflationary force is greed, funneling additional profits into the pockets of the 0.1%.

Let the inflation due to minimum wage be X, and the inflation due to greed be Y, and the maximum total inflation be Z. X+Y=Z

Of course there are other variables, but in a general sense, if X goes up, Y must go down. If X does not go up, Y does.

So yes there will be inflation, but increasing wages takes more money from the ownership and puts it into the pockets of the bottom 99.9% where it will do far more good.

And in case it wasn't clear, this is precisely why the oligarchy opposes increasing the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with inflation, and everything to do with they make less money.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There is a limit to the amount prices can go up before people stop buying altogether.

Not when those items are necessities, like food. Damn us poor people and our need to...checks notes...eat.

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