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If young Americans had financial stability, better mental health, hope for the future, etc. I'm sure that birth rate would go back up.
It's not like people don't enjoy fucking anymore. It's just that they're more careful than ever not to reproduce, because they can't afford parenthood.
Uh yeah, that'll happen when we are financially ruined for life and facing an ever worsening climate disaster because of greedy pieces of shit. If we can't reliably support ourselves, how can we support children?
Just what the fuck are we supposed to do with that???
Wonder how nice it would be not to put 0‐20% of your income into a 401k. Or the money I need to put into a HSA in case I get destroyed in medical bills. Or crippling student debt. Maybe that money could go into housing or children.
I can't understand why anyone would expect most people to want to have kids. I can hardly afford to take care of myself, things look like they're only likely to get worse, and all indicators are that if I did have kids, they would be facing an even worse future when they hit adulthood. Why would I do that to them?
I have kids. I love my kids, and being a parent is the best decision I ever made for myself.
I can't say I would recommend it, though.
I am also a parent who dearly loves my daughter (it's her 14th birthday tomorrow!) but I don't want anyone to have kids who isn't willing to take the time and the effort and spend the money.
No child should be unloved or neglected.
I'm very happy that I don't have kids. I still have no idea what compels people to have kids these days. They must not know the things I know.
Completely agree.
Look at an ocean temperature graph if you are even entertaining the idea of bringing new life into the world.
Every now and then I see a parent having a tender moment with their child and I smile. I then reflect on whether my vasectomy/shirk of parenthood was the right choice.
I always come to the conclusion that it was. Perhaps when I'm older I will feel differently but I just can't imagine that in my life for a long time.
having a tender moment with their child and I smile
Worst case scenario for me is I go "kidnap" my niece and nephew for a weekend and get it out of my system.
Now let's see 2022 and 2023.
Edit. Oh wait! It's back down.
https://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/foodpricesindex/en/
The FAO Food Price Index* (FFPI) stood at 119.1 points in April 2024, up 0.3 points (0.3 percent) from its revised March level, as an increase in the price index for meat and smaller upturns of vegetable oil and cereal indices slightly more than offset decreases in those for sugar and dairy products. Although it registered a second monthly uptick in April following a seven-month long declining trend, the FFPI was down 9.6 points (7.4 percent) from its corresponding value one year ago.
It's not back down to 2019 prices
Never said that but you're right.
Just providing even more context than you did
Fewer people means increased wages. Fuck em.
Even if I could afford to have kids (which I can't) or believed in forcing anyone to have to be alive without consent (which is impossible), there's no way I could ethically justify making somebody have to live in what is probably The last century ever of human civilization.
Wealthy employers shrug over falling standard of living and lack of affordable housing and food
The capitalist class only cares about birthrate for productivity. Don't blame us for not caring about reduced productivity when most of us get a tiny fraction of the benefits of productivity. Also, what happened to all the shrieking about overpopulation? It's all just fearmongering to drive people to act in ways to benefit the capitalist class. I'm tired, leave me alone.
It's also dumb legacy thinking.
We're in the process of creating a labor force that threatens to put the majority of people already existing out of work such that we need to figure out how to restructure society in a post-labor era.
What the fuck do we need a high birthrate for?
My kids don't want kids. I'm cool with that. It's not my decision and I'm definitely not interested in playing grandma daycare.
Neither me nor my sister really want kids, but my parents want to be grandparents. Makes for some awkward family dinners
Same, but they only want grandchildren as facebook sex trophies. No interest in babysitting or being supportive in any other meaningful way.
They were able to raise children on a single salary without leaning on family for childcare, so why can't we? Surely nothing has changed over the last 30-40 years.
The decision is much too big to let anyone pressure you one way or another. It's totally okay for you to want what you want, and it's okay for that to change throughout your life.
Lots of single parents out there with no support.
Maybe we need a big brother/sister program, but for grandparents.
Honestly I bet that'd blow up.
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