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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I'm not gonna begrudge anybody their use of meat or dairy alternatives, but I don't think I'm in favor of them. Or at least, I hope they're not the main solution we try to use to combat climate change. Again, I have no problem with individuals using them but it feels like at the societal level, they're just an excuse to not change anything. Like the idea is we can keep consuming endlessly as long as we're consuming something slightly less damaging to the environment.

I would also hate to see the agriculture industry replaced by manufacturers of these alternatives. The agriculture industry sucks and is terrible for small farms, but at least small farms are still there. If that industry is replaced, my fear is that small farms won't be able to sustain themselves even with innovative or regenerative practices and our only options for meat/dairy will be large corporations. (I know most people already get their meat/dairy from large corporations, but I'd love to see us move more towards local farms than replace all farms with more corporations)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Personally I prefer the flavour of plant-based alternatives over dairy milk. So I don't see myself having any interest in buying it.

However, if they can engineer milk proteins for cheese production than I am very excited. Casein proteins are biochemical miracles and no plant-based cheeses are able to mimic the protein matrix in cheese properly. Instead they end up relying on starches to set, which isn't the same at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

very cool, ive been thinking about this sort of thing for a while. hopefully this can scale well enough and eventually incorporate fats, water, and other milk components that this industry could replace the traditional dairy industry. it could possibly be a huge benefit for the environment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Because Canada doesn't have soy milk?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I drink oat milk, but it sucks as a replacement for a lot of things in cooking or drinks. Great for coffee though.

Oh and cheese, don't forget cheese. Current offerings of non-dairy cheese are all absolute bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Strong disagree. There's lots of shitty cheese, but anything made with cashew milk is great.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Strong disagree, it’s all garbage. At best it might match the plastic square of American garbage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Soy milk is not a great substitute for milk, particularly when it comes to things like baking. I personally drink oat milk but that suffers from the same drawbacks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You can literally just use water for baking, what are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The outcome of swapping water for milk in baking is not the same. Depending on the recipe, it can be an acceptable substitute. But it's pretty disingenuous to say blanketly that there isn't a difference. Milk thickens, adds a creamy texture, impacts density, and more, especially when it comes to baking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

This is the best thing I've seen in a while. And it's even sugar free by default, astonishing!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they make casein that's pretty cool, since it's the thing that vegan cheeses suck at replicating. It's responsible for a lot of the texture that regular cheese has, including how it melts and stretches.

Their connections to Israeli companies and big agribusiness execs is gross though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Cashew cheese is great

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I wonder how it'll do on cost... and regulatory progress in other countries.

Will be watching with interest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is fucking awesome. Genuine game changer for the world.

The first I heard about this, and the first I heard about exponential growth in batteries and solar was years ago by a man named Tony Seba. It's great to see the only person that is optimistic, and wildly optimistic at that being the one that right.

You can find his videos on YouTube and his company Rethinkx. Rethinkx doesn't have as easily digestible content as his older presentations but it's good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah, good to see optimism and hope pay off!