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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Karolina Shiino, 26, was crowned Miss Japan two weeks ago but her win sparked public debate due to her heritage.

Probably entirely driven by middle-aged aunties who haven't seen their husbands in weeks. These are, incidentally, also the main audience for beauty contests.

While some welcomed the naturalised citizen's crowning, others said she didn't represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals.

I think she nearly perfectly represents Japanese beauty standards: she's a tall thin waif with ultra pale skin, brown hair and big eyes. The only thing that would count against her is her mouth and nose would be considered too big. The "perfect face" by asian standards looks like a Roswell alien with huge eyes, tiny nose and mouth.

That being said she's a successful fashion model in Japan so clearly she does fit the ideals.

Amid the furore, a local magazine published an expose alleging an affair.

Japanese celebrity culture is whack. They have paparazzi that make the real paparazzi look like starstruck tourists with a camera.

The Japanese perspective on white women is that they're aggressive, highly promiscuous succubuses so the tabloid no doubt knew they had a winner with the obas in uncovering this girl's affair.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Is that in the rules or something? Man beauty pageants are fuckin weird.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Abject misogyny and xenophobia in Japan? I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

She won some beauty pageant then had an affair and gave up her title wtf is mysgonic or xenophobic about that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why does she lose the title for having an affair? Especially when she didn't know the man was married?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

The article says she later admitted to knowing. Though I wouldn't count out being pressured to change her story.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I don't get what you mean

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How is that misogyny?

Also, pretty normal that a group of people wants someone to represent them to look like them lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well... How do you define what a group of ppl look like? Are all Japanese of the same descent? Can an immigrant not become Japanese? How would this play out in the US? Only native Americans could represent the country? Or are you inferring that a given number of years must pass before a new skin tone can represent a country?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This particular group of people is very well defined, just by anyone with 2 functioning eyes.

I don't want an Easten European women to represent Japanese, as much as I don't want a Japanese to represent Easten European. It makes no sens. You are being obtuse on purpose if you still pretend you don't understand that

Edit: this country is like 99% of a single ethnicity. So yeah, skin color and DNA have to change in order to represent them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't want an Easten European women to represent Japanese

Good job she’s Japanese then!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

sigh yeah and I identify as Sponge

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The Japanese government “identifies” her as Japanese. They are the authority on that, aren’t they?

But you are not talking about citizenship are you? What are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Apparently, mr. Kkkaveman here is a better judge of Japanese citizenship. Gee, maybe they should replace all border agents with them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did I invent my criticism? Am I the only one with 2 eyes here? What are you talking about??

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did I invent my criticism?

I don’t know did you?

I would help if you explain exactly what the issue is. She’s Japanese. She won miss Japan. What’s your problem?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I am done arguing with obtuse wall being obtuse on purpose.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're expressing racist views and are being called out for it.

It's not that we don't understand you. It's that we reject your whole premise that miss Japan should look a certain way. That's not a rule in the contest, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to run.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"While some welcomed the naturalised citizen’s crowning, others said she didn’t represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

So? Are you illegitimate when an unquantified portion of people criticize you? Are you sure you know how to reason?

Who cares about what a bunch of racists think?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy has an option to add a note to these types of accounts so that you can easily identify and ignore them. I already labeled them "Obtuse Troll - Ignore". You can always block them as well but sometimes I find their flailing attempts amusing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

"While some welcomed the naturalised citizen’s crowning, others said she didn’t represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If it’s so obvious, you can just say it.

I wonder what the reason is you don’t say it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I already said everything

"While some welcomed the naturalised citizen’s crowning, others said she didn’t represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not about you. She was selected as the winner by someone who was Japanese and that was apparently not in agreement with your racist views.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's definitely not about me, because she apperently faced exactly the same critics as the ones I advanced.

There is nothing racist in acknowledging OBVIOUS differences and respecting them

I hope you feel better for how not racist and good you are

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A bunch of Americans believe the Earth is flat, does that mean all Americans are stupid?

She won. And racists gonna racism, Japanese or not. Who cares?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Definitely not me, but apparently the parent comment to which I initially replied.

Go check your head, i hope u have free health care

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Quoting: I don't want an Easten European women to represent Japanese, as much as I don't want a Japanese to represent Easten European. It makes no sens.

That you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"While some welcomed the naturalised citizen’s crowning, others said she didn’t represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals."

That me?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"An unquantified portion of racists criticize the outcome of a stupid beauty contest, and that comforts my racist worldviews that the winner is illegitimate despite satisfying all known rules"

Are you sure you know how to reason?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure you have functionning eyes / brain ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't even make sense anymore. You've been flat out proven wrong by the fucking rules of the contest. Stop doubling down, you're not doing yourself any favor, and I'm sure you're better than this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I just stop here because my point is self evident, and mimics the criticism mentioned in the article.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Ukraine-born winner of the Miss Japan beauty pageant has given up her crown after a tabloid report revealed her affair with a married man.

Karolina Shiino, 26, was crowned Miss Japan two weeks ago but her win sparked public debate due to her heritage.

While some welcomed the naturalised citizen's crowning, others said she didn't represent traditional Japanese beauty ideals.

The article in the Shukan Bunshun reported that Ms Shiino had engaged in a relationship with a married influencer and doctor.

In its initial response to the report last week, the pageant organisers defended Ms Shiino, saying she hadn't known the man was married.

Ms Shiino also apologised to her fans and the general public in a statement on Monday, where she said she had acted out of fear and panic in response to the report.


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