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Canada's population growth at 0.0% so far this year: StatsCan (www.cbc.ca)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don’t give a damn about population % changes. Show me the metrics that actually matter:

  • Housing creation rates (not speculative units, but livable homes)
  • Quality job growth (not gig economy scraps, but jobs that pay living wages)
  • Real income gains (adjusted for inflation, not corporate PR)
  • Public investment in healthcare and education (not austerity dressed as 'efficiency')

Immigration has always been a neoliberal scapegoat to distract the misinformed while they gutted worker power and protected capital. The crisis isn’t people; it’s policy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Controversial opinion: This is actually a very good thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's not controversial at all among real life tim hortons Canadians. We don't have enough houses for immigrants right now. Or really any infrastructure for that matter. The facts do not lie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Where do houses and infrastructure come from? Does the government wave a wand and they appear?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Crown corporations/government contracts and loans

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They could do that but the entire CPP is invested into REITs so it won't happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You dodged the question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are you implying houses are only built by immigrants

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Obviously not. Where do houses and infrastructure come from, though? Like, what's involved in the creation of these things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They don't come from anywhere when your entire economy rides on inflated real estate values

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why do you refuse to answer the question I asked?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I literally don't know what you want from me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

...To answer the question I asked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Only if it comes back up again eventually.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Agreed. Build more dense housing, incentivize more public transit, and plan for both of those things to become higher in demand (and close the TFW minimum wage loophole), then we can start inviting folks into our country again to provide us the value that they objectively can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

and close the TFW minimum wage loophole

What do you mean about this part? As far as I can tell, a higher wage is actually required for TFWs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

We need provinces and the feds to communicate and plan together more effectively in both immigrations and housing terms. We need to have a plan to make sure that people coming in have housing and employment opportunities without a public opinion developing that these opportunities are being taken away from existing Canadians.

Currently the feds can say we want to bring in 1 million people, the provinces can say sure but we won't plan for that at all (but they do want the workers) and then throw the feds under the bus when the province faces a housing crisis. Then the local politicians spin it as either exclussively the feds fault or even blame the immigrants, as if they had any say in housing or employment development.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Now that foreigners are no longer it, I am looking forward to learning who is going to be revealed as the next scapegoat for the neoliberal enshittification of the country!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago

We could be on track for real progress right now for the first time in decades if it weren't for Trump

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I can't wait until we catch up to those numbers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You know why the US is able to exert so much influence over us? Because they represent a value-creation engine of 340 million people while Canada represents a value-creation engine of 41 million people. That's it. This is a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Yup. 100 million by 2100 is actually an amateur number. We need to pump those numbers up - maybe to 150.

But on the other hand, we do need to let the housing supply catch up a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Its because of Breton Woods, and everybody owes each other USD globally in a giant mesh network, which requires the US to print it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The dollarisation of the world economy has a lot more to do with the US being virtually untouched (negatively) by WW2 as opposed to the other major world economies who were all decimated (axis & allies). The US had the smallest downturn post 1945 and the fastest transition.

This allowed it to hoover up a large percentage of the worlds wealth AND through its military strength persuade, direct and control other former powers (refer Suez crisis for example).

Bretton Woods really isnt that important in that arc. It certainly helped solidify American hegemony over the 20thC but it was an outcome of power differentials rather than a creator of the hegemony.

It will breakdown over the next decades as the rising superpower China is not party to it, and Putin via the Fanta Felon has massively undermined the US soft power base

TL;DR Bretton Woods mostly codified unwritten agreements between the western countries while cementing the already present dominance of the US due to WW2.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Much of Europe definitely stored their gold in the US during and after WWII due to Bretton Woods, which ended in 1971 when Germany and France wanted its gold back due to the overprinted dollars of the Great Society act of the 60s.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Yes that's certainly true, but Fort Knox being an international gold warehouse doesn't actually impact dollarisation of the world economy and the inevitable transition away from it when/if US power abates

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Thank fuck, our economy is so bad people are leaving now. This at least gives us a chance to fix our shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Well, if you would just make it easier for the sane Americans to escape to there, we could help with that

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We need to make sure you are the "sane" Americans. Don't need maga coming up pretending to be normal at first the poisoning our population.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Bad news from a lifelong Albertan: I've seen MAGA gear here from other lifelong Albertans. The problem has already leaked here. But tbh I still would be in favour of barring MAGA from Canada on the basis that they threatened our sovereignty.

But for good news, MAGA are woefully bad at pretending to be normal and can't help but to bring up their deranged politics at the dinner table.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The brainworm says to tell you I definitely do not have a brainworm.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

You must be a sane one. Maga wouldn't watch Futurama. It's too "woke".