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Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland have announced they will leave the Ottawa Convention of 1997, which prohibits anti-personnel landmines. Later in June, all five states are expected to give the United Nations formal notice of their withdrawal, allowing them to manufacture, stockpile and deploy such munitions from the end of the year. Together, they guard 2,150 miles of Nato’s frontier with Russia and its client state of Belarus.

Military planners are already working out which expanses of European forest and lake land would be planted with these deadly devices, laden with high explosives and shrapnel, if Vladimir Putin were to mass his forces against the alliance.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

This is shocking. We are still removing mines left from ages past ...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

NATO sure like building useless walls eh

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Civilians end up paying the price for land mines

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

The headline of the article is misleading. No one is laying "pre-emptive" minefields at their borders for civilians to waltz in, withdrawal from the Ottawa agreement means that anti-personnel landmines are an option if Russia starts massing troops on their side of the border.

I've trained with landmines during my military service and they are truly horrible things. I hope we never have to use them again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"client state of Belarus" ... In the last 4 yrs, I actually see a bit more of independence of Belarus from Moscow than Germany, Lithuania or Finland does from Washington DC.... Belorussian at least takes weeks or months to comply with Moscow's demands... it is always overnight for Europeans!

Militarily speaking, I don't see this being much of a deterrent either. In such a vast terrain, it would not be hard for Russia to get hold of one and reverse engineer it to disable it (presumably they will be remote controlled and disabled). But even with that, just a large unmanned machine can go in front triggering the mines and breach the line overnight. Again, due to the vast amount of land border and civilian population, it will be a very thin line. Of course, that takes the assumption that Russia had any interest of invading any land beyond Ukraine, that I would rate it as zero (unless invaded first or an total embargo on Kaliningrad!). After NATO's progress fiasco showed in Ukraine, I think from now, the industry and certain politicians just view NATO as a cash cow for the remaining of its existence and less and less expenses share of the pie will be for innovation and readiness.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And Belarus took decades to finally stop sitting on the fence and come for help to Russia in the first place. And this of course happened after months of coup attempts in 2020. Poland and Lithuania still do everything they can to harm Belarus short of military attack.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So I guess the circle will go round and round again, presumably until we learn how to communicate with people different than us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it has more to do with the people we trust as our representatives.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I'd say its more about the people who choose to lead, but same same.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even if it was true that Russia was going to invade them, which is not, what are landmines going to do to a modern army lmao.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A pragmatic low cost solution in light of the usa threat of forcing the european members of nato to "pay their fair share". But what prevents russia from detonating them with drones? This isn't ds9. They (presumably) aren't self replicating.

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