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Searching for product recommendations has become harder and harder over the years. I used to google or browse reddit for reviews, used them to create a shortlist of products and then actually dig deeper and compare them.

Lets say I'm in the market for a mechanical keyboard, but I don't know much about them. I use whatever search engine to look for "best mechanical keyboard 2024". The results are really bad, and I mean really bad. It's more of a list of keyboards to avoid, to be honest. The problem is not just google. Bing, duckduckgo, Kagi, Startpage... all results suck. The results are filled with AI generated pages or outlets farming affiliate links. There are a couple of good suggestions in the middle of the garbage but if 9/10 websites recommend a random razer keyboard, I'm inclined to believe it's an option worth considering.

Some of my friends say they resort to Youtube. I can agree that Youtube has amazing content creators that give amazing reviews and produce great quality content. But if you don't know anything about the subject, how do you know which content creator is good and which content creator is just farming affiliate links?

One of the things I loved about Reddit was that I could just go to /r/whateversubject and talk to what I felt was real people discussing products they loved. I no longer use Reddit ,and Lemmy, unfortunately, doesn't have a big enough userbase to have a good community for each type of product.

So, what's your strategy to find out good products on subjects you know nothing about?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

A PC magazine or well established tech blog.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Don't search for reviews. Search for forum posts where users are having issues. "[Product] + [not working/failed/broken]" gets you an idea of what the product is like to live with, and now quickly issues get resolved.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I don't focus on recommendations specifically. My typical process is:

  • spend anywhere from a few days to a few weeks figuring out which technical characteristics are important for this kind of product, which aren't, why and when &c. This kind of information is usually available (and even obvious SEO garbage can give you new keywords to consider when searching);
  • based on these alone, determine what's acceptable and what's desirable for you;
  • if you haven't already, find some kind of community around the topic and see which brands/manufacturers people commonly complain about and why; also see if there're popular manufacturers only selling things via their own websites;
  • open your preferred store (or several) and filter the entire category based on what you've learned. Pick a few candidates and examine them closely;
  • go back to the community again and look up anything mentioning these candidates - including comparisons with other ones you haven't considered. Perhaps consider them;
  • make the final choice.

Skip some of these if irrelevant or if you don't care enough. Spend extra time if you care a lot.

It works well enough for every new phone (the market there is changing fast, so you start anew every time), it worked for my first PC I've decided to assemble with 0 prior knowledge, the mechanical keyboard and the vertical mouse, and pretty much every piece of tech I'm buying.

And I'd say it's reasonable to use Reddit without an account even if you disagree with what the platform owners are doing. The data is still valuable for such use cases.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

10 years ago you could get honest product recommendations in Reddit. These days reddit is overrung with corporate trolls.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Research and luck mostly at this point.

Publicly traded corporations are great at ruining shit people made in the blind pursuit of profit so the old ways of checking out reviews and reddit posts don't really work so well anymore.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

They built an entire industry dedicated to gaming the search results, so I feel your frustration. Nowadays, if it's not some influencer telling you to try something, it usually a bunch of topic snobs who need the latest and best (read: most expensive) version of anything - completely unusable for a casual query. If you have friends or local communities with the same hobbies, I'd start there. Or start in the shops - you find out real fast of they're trying to push product on you, versus genuinely trying to help you find what you need.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I haven't found a way. I too used days of research, going to a physical store to try something when possible/applicable, YouTube reviewers, many many websites that used to be trusted, plus Reddit reviews. They all lied, or maybe I'm doing something odd to cause my own problems? Or both:-).

And even when they did not lie, about their past experiences, in one case the company itself ended up betraying its entire userbase so bad it made an international sensation and the cofounder left the company in protest - OnePlus I'm looking at you regarding the 7-series updates. I will never purchase a OnePlus product again in my life as a result, which is doubly sad bc nowadays they once again seem like good devices, and triply so bc I know of nothing else remotely like those "flagship killers" of old - that whole genre of phone is just over now, and they were merely the last hold-out.

You have to somehow be an expert in every little thing these days, and when you do find something you may want to consider purchasing more than one of the item to avoid having to go through all that again when the first one breaks, if that makes sense for the situation (for a keyboard I dunno?).

If only after doing all that you could share what you found with family+friends, to spread the love and avoid the same pain all around!? But in reverse, would you trust the reviews of your family members & friends - how sane are they, when it comes to this stuff? We want reviews from people better equipped to do so than we are ourselves, not average or below:-).

Which is why I'm saying that depending on the cost you may want to just roll the dice and see, and also expect to spend even more days of research, and also go back through historical archives of Reddit forums as much as possible. The goal of all capitalism is to take your money, period. The likes of Amazon and Google have truly enshittified the act of internet commerce:-(.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Also was a OnePlus user - now switched to Nothing Phone (2).

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

Honestly, I still just post here. You may not get the same amount of answers as you would've on reddit, but it's still worth a shot. Besides, somebody's got to start populating this place with good info. Why not be the one who starts it?

That being said, pretty much every time I've asked about something here I've got excellent feedback.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I still just google for relevant reddit threads. Lemmy's the only place I actively participate in, but this is one of the use cases it hasn't been able to replace reddit for for me either yet.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Reddit has been astroturfed so much the recommendations there have to be taken with a lot of salt.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is sadly no longer possible. The reason is simple: if your goal is to make a real review site, either you're taking in money for reviews, or someone else is and posting it to your site. The insurmountable costs associated with not doing either means every site out there is going to be garbage.

If you're not yet into very good mechanical keyboards, my personal suggestion is to go shopping on AliExpress with $40 and spend half of it on a cheap mechanical (my daily driver is a 17€ skylion) and the other half on a set of key caps.

Sure it's not gonna be great, but unless you're accustomed to very high end boards, it'll suit you just fine without breaking the bank and it'll still better than anything razer has produced ever. If you have the time for it, you could also oil the switches when you get the board, that usually has a very good effect on feel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The mechanical keyboard topic was just an example. Because I'm kinda into mechanical keyboards, I can instantly spot the obviously bad recommendations. If the topic was something like microphones or washing machines, I'd be toast.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m afraid there is no quick way to get an honest recommendation. I usually resort to YouTube and spend 2-3 days watching some related content. It sorta filters itself out, there will be a creator or few that you vibe with, and you trust their choice.

Happened to me with audio gear (I trusted crinacle, for example.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Weeding out the spon-con is very difficult depending on the product. I was looking at solar generators a year ago and gave up with youtube because every single reviewer was provided the product they were using for free to review.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Honestly, you just need to find whatever forum the enthusiasts of are using and see what people write there.

This is just one of the cases where search engines are useless

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