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submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.cringecollective.io/post/9716

Maybe some ALGOL 58 while we're at it too.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I wonder, if this is another effect of LLMs. Maybe it's just really easy and lucrative to generate+sell books for these old languages.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Most of the COBOL material never made it into the internet. Like the actual instruction manuals for the languages. Also a vast majority that do have it on the internet have it under paywall. I notice that anything that is under paywall, the LLMs suddenly dont do as well. I think its because they only train them on the "open" internet.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

> Thinking the TIOBE Index is worth anything beyond the 2000s.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago

COBOL is actually not that bad. It can work with SQL, it can have unit testing/integration testing. It can even go on the web (LOL).

But in all seriousness, the bad part about COBOL is lack of context. Most code that is in COBOL has not been touched in decades. And no one is willing to modify because of serous consequences (AKA job ruining errors) that can occur.

I worked with it in insurance and transportation. In both cases, the COBOL was actually pretty solid...but we didnt know WHY we were doing the operations.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

But didn't they have to retrofit structured programming into COBOL? As in if-else, loops etc. didn't exist in COBOL originally, it was all just GOTO.

I guess, what I'm asking is: Does "not that bad" mean still pretty awful, but perhaps not as awful as one would expect for its age...?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

the old languages still have their fans – and COBOL, Fortran, Ada, and Lisp are still holding strong in their respective niches

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Lisp variants like Clojure are being used for new projects (e.g. Logseq) but I'd be surprised to hear of anyone choosing COBOL for a greenfield project.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah the only reason someone should learn COBOL is job security and potentially making a living moving things over. No reason to start a project in the lang. You can make flat files into ODBCs nowadays.

I suppose the ability to be left alone because everyone is afraid the COBOL person leaves and the company goes under is a good reason :)

[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Lisp has always been the future >.>

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

And tomorrow is always just a day away.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I took a principles of programming languages course a while back and got to touch on a lot of these old languages. My professor had huge hard-on for Lisp. Don't get me wrong. The simplicity of the language is admirable. But reading and parsing that shit gave me headaches. No me gusta.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

I think I was the reverse, I found it easier wrapping my mind around Scheme than C …

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ada sitting at #22

EDIT: COBOL community adopting a dinosaur for the language’s logo

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

I still use Ada daily for my personal projects after having used it at work. I find it compliments my thinking patterns well. My only gripe with it is that they ate too much of their own dog food at AdaCore and now it can be hard to install Ada and gprbuild (due to a circular dependency). Plus gprc stole libgpr and broke some stuff too.

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