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So Israel gave these stupid terms that anyone with a brain cell would refuse, and the 4 Zainoist here will claim "Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians life, look they refused a peace deal"
When did Hamas suddenly become the good guys anyways? Both leaderships need to go, but acting like Hamas aren't a bunch of self interested fucks is just silly
Some context that would not be included in times of israel would be the following:
Israel rejects Hamas hostage release deal, lays out own Gaza truce terms
The proposal comes following Netanyahu's rejection of a Hamas offer that sought an end to the war in return for the release of the remaining hostages.
The Israeli government has offered a new proposal to Hamas that would see a two-month ceasefire in return for the release of Israeli hostages, after rebuffing a Hamas offer.
It is also unknown if any of the over 6,000 Palestinians that have been detained by the Israeli military since 7 October from the occupied West Bank will be included in the deal.
Some 250 hostages were taken during Hamas' attack on Israel on 7 October, with 130 being released during a one-week ceasefire in November.
Families of the Israeli hostages have ramped up calls for their release, with protests occurring outside Netanyahu's house and inside the Israeli Knesset on Sunday.
UN agencies have repeatedly called for a ceasefire for an increase in humanitarian aid into Gaza, as UNRWA reports that 570,000 people face catastrophic hunger in the enclave.
I'm not really sure what that adds.
When you declare war, as Hamas did on October 7th, you don't get to set the terms of your own surrender.
I’m not really sure what that adds.
As mentioned above it adds context. Context to the claims of the main Israeli news outlet.
And please, do not talk as if this started last October, cause it's definitely not the case.
¡Que lastima!
Burn it down.
Did this proposal include anything to do with reigning in military and off-duty cop-backed settler violence in West Bank and Gaza? The cases of violence of which only 6% of police probes ended in any sort of prosecution
How the last ceasefires went, settlers continued to raid and stole land, food, shelter and belongings, escorted by Israeli military for "security", and any attempt at resistance Israel could point the finger at "Hamas breaking the ceasefire". Or they were just shot dead.
Given that Hamas does not operate in the West Bank I'm dubious that what you are describing in a West Bank hypothetical would occur. Illegal settlements in the West Bank are awful and should be stopped by Israel - but they are not directly tied to the current conflict with Hamas.
Just a point of clarification, Hamas does operate in the West Bank, but they don't control or manage it.
Right, but I'm saying a peace deal in Gaza should include Israel's activities in West Bank, because they are needless casualties of Israel's continued aggression in and around Jenin since July, and only escalated further in retaliation of the October massacre. They aren't disconnected, even if Hamas doesn't operate there.
That's like trying to pass a law in North Dakota and asking if the same law will also apply to South Dakota.
Israel should stop settlements in the West Bank because its the right thing to do. However if I were a Palestinian in Gaza and a peace deal was derailed because Hamas was refusing to agree without West Bank settlement concessions I'd be pretty pissed.
That being said given that Hamas broke the last ceasefire agreement, and their stated goal is to conduct other attacks like Oct 7th, I'm not sure how a ceasefire could be reached even on narrow grounds.
It's a shame they don't seem to care about Palestinian lives and Israel is expected to care more than they do. What's baffling to me is that they still enjoy widespread support, nearly three in four Palestinians approve of Hamas and October 7th. Evidently this situation is what they want? If Hamas were deposed and the hostages released, this war could be over tomorrow.
The more Palestinian civilians Hamas throw into the meat-grinder, the more upset Westerners, who no longer understand war nor believe in anything worth fighting for, become.
The more upset they become, the more they pressure their governments to put pressure on Israel.
Eventually, Israel is forced to let Hamas live.
Hamas recover, then unleash even more violence a few years down the line.
Rinse. Repeat.
I don't believe at this stage it is entirely Hamas doing the throwing. It seems Israel's RoE is shoot anything that moves.