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Trump tantrumed and even quit a debate with Joe Biden in 2020, but now he's even more emotionally volatile

Donald Trump has tried to taunt President Joe Biden by claiming he's ready for a presidential debate "anytime, anywhere." The gambit left him little choice but to immediately accept when the Biden campaign offered debate dates in June and September, and terms like not having an audience and allowing real journalists to moderate. But within mere hours it became clear that Trump and the rest of the GOP already regretted the decision.

Pretty quickly, Trump tried to change the terms of the debate, pretending that it will be held on Oct. 2 on Fox News. The Biden campaign swiftly rejected this lie, accusing Trump of "playing games," and pointing out that Trump frequently talks big but then ends up "pulling out at the last minute, or not showing up at all."

It's true, of course. Trump has a habit of promising that he'll do bold things and then backing out, whether it's his empty promises to testify at his various trials or his false claims he'll release policy proposals in a week or two. (It's been over a month of silence, for instance, since he promised he would release an abortion platform in "14 days.") In 2020, still burned by his terrible first debate with Biden, Trump refused to show up at the second and held an ego-flattering rally instead.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The link in this post seems to get to Trump's brain for some reason...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Does anyone think auto cut off of the mic is warranted? "You have 60 seconds and then the mic cuts off".

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Biden should just invite RFK to take Trump's place if he doesn't show up. RFK would then draw from Trump voters, splitting the anti-Biden vote.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If he doesn't show up, Biden should call Trump direct on his cell phone with a spoofed number from one of Trump's associates, and then ask him live on air why he's not at the debate, and offer to have the debate right then and there with Trump on speaker.

If you're gonna be in charge of the USA's intelligence apparatus, and your opponent is okay with weaponizing the power of that exact same apparatus against you when they feel like it, I think you should be allowed to flex with it just a little bit from time to time.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The gambit left him little choice but to immediately accept when the Biden campaign offered debate dates in June and September

I think this is vastly understating how prominently placed is total transparent bullshit, in the Trump mental model, and how willing his followers are to it

He can simply pretend that October 2nd is the real debate, and Biden is the one trying to back out because he’s too old and scared to debate Trump. If his followers also watched news with some connection to reality, and cross checked Trump’s pretenses against it, then they’d see the lie, but they don’t and they won’t.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Nah, that doesn't give Trump any advantage. He can just go on Fox any time he wants and have a "pretend debate" with no one. There are still rules to the reality Trump supporters have in their heads.

Basically, Trump supporters want to see him as better than someone else. So that other person has to play along. If you notice, the Republicans who support Trump have to pretend that he's better than them when they give speeches. It's just a modern monarchy (a conservative form of government).

Biden doesn't play along, so he actually doesn't look weak. Trump was begging for a debate and was ignored (looks weak). Biden said "let's debate" and Trump accepted. No one ever accepted Trump's debate on Fox, so rejecting it actually makes Biden look more powerful.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Completely agree.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago

Offering Donald Trump a stage is one of the most consistently idiotic thing Democrats do.

He's still playing a different game than you are D's.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget ‘anyplace’ too!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

See you on the surface of the Sun 😎

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if there's beer on the Sun...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

That’s being moved to earth, iirc. Or at least, we’re getting rid of the woke cloak that used to filter out a lot more than it does now.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Idea 💡: Biden tells people he will show up for a speech, with or without Trump present.

Say that Trump will refuse to show up, bc he's too weak and pathetic. Use those exact words.

Trump doesn't show = profit.

Or if Trump does show, doing his usual falling asleep during talky talk, then profit even moar!

Most likely Trump will try to do the identical thing in reverse, but everyone would see that Biden did it first.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (5 children)

everyone would see that Biden did it first.

Where have you been the past 10 years? Half the country just sees what Fox "News" tells them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

that and farcebook. It sure explains for the current polls.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Trump: My team will play football only if it’s a home game and I get to pick the referees. Also, your team doesn’t get to to play, only my team does. And if you don’t agree then I’m not showing up and your team is to blame.

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