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I constantly see angry mobs of people decrying "woke", "critical race theory", ""grooming"", and whatever other nonsense they made up this week. They march around with guns, constantly appending lib as a prefix to any word they can use to denigrate. They actively plot violence and spew hatred in the open.

You never see the inverse. There is no ConservativesofTiktok getting churches harassed into shutting down for the day or calling in threats. You don't see cringey boomer memes on the left. And whenever I openly express those feelings, try to create that sentiment; I get shut down. Noone agrees, I'm often shamed and muted. I just don't understand why that parity exists, it's extremely isolating to feel so alone in this

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Propaganda. For decades the conservative radio hosts have been vilifying democrats constantly and most of the time for no reason at all. It has slid into television as well but they started with radio a long long time before that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

most of the time for no reason at all

Not for no reason. It's a form of control. If you genuinely believe that the opposing party is going to bring the country to ruin, you're a lot less likely to consider their position in politics.

Look at the affordable care act. Conservatives hated/hate it because "obamacare" was portrayed as giving free health care to the lazy poor that you have to pay for as a hard working conservative. When asked if we should repeal Obamacare, conservatives poll something crazy like 95% yes, simply because it's a bad word they learned.

Many of those conservatives have health care through the ACA and get mad when Republicans take it away because they need it. Those same conservatives mostly aren't even aware that what they have is literally obamacare.

It's control all the way down.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Politics is fundamentally different for conservatives. They have to have someone to hate. It's drilled into them by their media outlets.

The tactic is a form of fear based control that conservative media has been working on since Nixon, and made into effect with the birth of Fox News in 1996.

Seriously. Nixon's think tank conceived the conservative media outlet as a catch-all, exclusive source of news that as a primary function would steer conservatives to not trust other news sources.

They did this because they did not want another Watergate, where conservatives turned against Nixon because of hard evidence laid out by popular unbiased news, which at the time conservatives still were informed by.

The Frankenstein's monster of a party that that tactic has turned conservatives into requires manufactured rage to fuel the fire. If the outrage ever simmers, you begin to see smarter conservatives recognizing what their party has become and it begins to fall apart.

So there's your answer. It's because the hate is necessary to continue the control. If you don't believe me, turn on Fox news. There's always the manufactured rage-of-the-day filling the air time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ConservativesofTikTok hehe.

Okay first thing: there is no mainstream left in US politics. AOC and Bernie taper off at a hair left of center. I don't even dislike them. And normally that would be fine, but the right does include flamboyant, very loud fascists. So the right has no counter weight, and what there is are Centrist Libs, who long for days of "reaching across the isle", and "order," and "civility" While people talk about Fascists projecting, the Libs are too; they think everyone approaches politics in good faith. They don't realize the fascist uses their invitation to get in, and civility as a mask to play the game. The fascist uses any means they can to gain power, and then disposes of the libs when they don't need them anymore. The libs are left, like Eddard Stark holding a piece of paper, with their dicks in the breeze.

This last piece of this is that there is an aspect of the left that matches what you say, the so called "dirt bag left," streamers like Vaush and Hassan Abi, and Chapo Trap House. They are in fact quite controversy prone, and I don't think they are good people, but I think they do match the general vibe of your statement.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

Liberals are conservatives, they hate leftists.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh were largely responsible for turning politics into a team sport and convincing Conservatives that all Liberals are evil and that is a Liberal wants it, it must be bad.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hate requires you to consider them first competent with shared common values that inform their beliefs and actions. Otherwise it's mostly pity and disgust that they have no values other than authority and loyalty like a criminal enterprise, and usually can't tell if they are being evil on purpose or by accident/inaction/ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me help you, its always all on purpose. They are as deep as the hostile npcs in a video game and worthy of even less moral consideration

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean plenty of lefty folks hate righties but they hate the ideology and not the people. They hate the people in so much as they hate the ideology they spout and its hate. There is a lot of hate inherent to right ideology but not so much in left ideology. At the end of the day I don't hate any particular person just them pushing things on me or the world that makes either worse. Take the old order anabaptist types like the amish. They are ultra conservative but keep to themselves. Is there bad things in the way their communities run. You betcha. But anyone can leave and sure they will be shunned but otherwise if they accept just not being part of it then they are free of it all. I am sorta losing where I am going with this but hope it helps in some way.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All extremism leads to hate, whether left, right, or center. They just hate different people. It goes without saying that there is plenty of hate on the right. But, historically, the "left" has included The Terror period of the French Revolution, the Cultural Revolution under Mao, the purging of the bourgeoisie during the Bolshevic Revolution, and the vast pogroms and genocidal famine in Ukraine under Stalin. Being on the left of the political spectrum does not immunize a person against hate.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

Have you seen half the liberal posts on here? I have never seen such hatred for another political party in my life

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because there is no mirror image.

@[email protected] has given you a good description of fascist methods. They're not available to the opponents of fascism because they are not fascists.

Fascism appeals to the worst parts of our nature. It gives permission to those feeling fear, humiliation or shame to lash out in anger and destroy the people that make them feel that way.

You can't deploy the same tactics to make those people want to be on your side instead. If you try to shame them, they will just hate harder.

You should, of course, expose and ridicule the grifters who lead fascist movements and punching fascists is encouraged. But you need to distinguish between authoritarian leaders and the people they seek to lead.

You should not pander to the billionaire-funded leaderships (take note NYT), but you must not sneer at the people they are trying to lead (take note centrist Dems).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you, this is a very good explanation of something I failed to mention.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why the hell do you want them on our side? Why dont you want to destroy them? Thats exactly what Im asking about, where is the hate?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because handing election victories to fascists is a really, really bad idea.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

lash out in anger and destroy the people that make them feel that way

Small correction: "... destroy the people that they think make them feel that way".

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of the responses are correct, but there is one aspect being missed.

Liberals don't NEED to hate conservatives. There are real problems in the world that the left is trying to remedy.

Conservatives NEED to hate the left. Modern conservatism (and some would argue all conservatism) doesn't have any moral ideology. There is nothing they're fighting to for. Conservative ideology is the idea that there is a group that the law should protect but not bind and a group that the law should bind but not protect. To push this, an out-group has to be created and hate is the only way to dehumanize someone enough to treat them the way conservatives treat women, minorities, LGBTQ+ etc...

Conservatives hate Liberals because conservatism doesn't work without hate. They hate because they NEED to.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I do hate them, but I'm secure enough that I don't need to make adversarialism my identity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

One is a political party and one is a group of religious extremists?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Because liberals aren't assholes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If I'm trying to actually be realistic and understand it rather than just insult people—I think this Is due to a lot of different things, but a large one is that conservatives see liberals as "the ones running the world". They feel oppressed, and silenced, and therefore lash out. This builds overtime. Liberals do not see conservatives the same way.

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