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[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 months ago (10 children)

One of the big themes of the fall of the Roman Republic was that many leaders faced a dilemma: stay in office or face dire legal consequences. Julius Ceasar had to make sure he held office continuously for decades or else he would have been dragged through the courts.

If you asked me 15 years ago, I would have naively said that modern governments do not have this problem. But one look at Trump or Netanyahyu and the logic is clear: do everything to stay in power, because if you fail you get life in prison.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

Someone actually complained to me (at random, I just happened to be nearby) that their new roommate was running up the water bill because he took a shower every day. That someone would actually bathe daily was a completely foreign concept to them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Trump is really more of Elagabalus or maybe Caligula.

It's like we sped-ran past the "effective but tyrannical" ones a d straight into the comically corrupt.

Imagine how much Trump would be if syphilis was a thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Please let him be Caligula or Nero. I don't want to live through the Crisis of the Third Century.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Besides the good roads and bath houses what have the Roman's done for us....

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if Biden killed Trump, who killed Obama, who killed bush, who killed Clinton, and we end up with Barron in charge. And then a foreign mercenary Army who's been fighting America's wars cause they got fat and complacent, decided to turn and take over Washington.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And better working conditions. If in the US, they probably had better healthcare, also!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

And they fed their population

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but to be fair the Romans didn't have Hummers and F150's doing 55 down their roads.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The VAST majority of road damage is shipping. Online shopping and globalized split chains are ultimately where the hate should be directed.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They would have realized those were designed to go off-road and not wasted their time on the roads with them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What makes you think Roman citizens were smarter than us?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What makes you think I was serious?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

You weren’t serious when you were talking about Romans going off road in a hummer? /s

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There is this one trick that I don't want the US government to know to save this empire, control and ~~take~~ tame your fucking capitalism

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They did also have leaded water though

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but they weren't fully aware of the danger like the U.S. government absolutely is.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Water conducted through earthen pipes is more wholesome than that through lead; indeed that conveyed in lead must be injurious, because from it white lead is obtained, and this is said to be injurious to the human system. Hence, if what is generated from it is pernicious, there can be no doubt that itself cannot be a wholesome body. This may be verified by observing the workers in lead, who are of a pallid colour; for in casting lead, the fumes from it fixing on the different members, and daily burning them, destroy the vigour of the blood; water should therefore on no account be conducted in leaden pipes if we are desirous that it should be wholesome.

Vitruvius, 1st century BCE

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And I am sure that there were other Romans writing treatises that said that lead was healthy. Because they didn't have the scientific method or any sort of modern scientific equipment, so expecting them to truly understand the dangers of lead piping compared to today is silly.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't take much. Lead is pretty poisonous - people working lead get sick, people who use lead cosmetics too often get sick, people who eat lead-flavored syrup get sick. Eventually even the thickest morons begin to notice a pattern, so long as they don't have an information box blaring all day telling them not to trust their woke liberal eyes instead of the Job Creators(tm).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Well, they realize assuming the lead doesn't get to their brain first.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago

Damn! Beat me to it.

They also allowed detritus to build up in lead pipes to insulate the water from the lead.

Unfortunately, all these tricks and knowledge didn't stop them from boiling down grapes into their favorite condiment/syrup specifically in lead vessels because the lead made it taste sweeter.

Stupidity is a human constant.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Actually, I've read somewhere that they actually found out and did something for it but somehow the information got lost

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